WTC- empty hull in 97

[Chicken George*]

Order is rifle, shotgun, revolvers. After shooting his last shotgun shot with his 97, he pulls the slide back all the way, the empty hull comes all the way out of the chamber but does not eject. He puts the gun down and starts to run to the revolver location. Someone yells "hull, hull". Visibly annoyed, he comes back and removes the hull. Afterwards, he asks if he really needed to fix that. No one seems to know for sure. 

[Eyesa Horg]

I'm thinking, no different than a case laying in a rifle. MSV if not corrected before the next gun. JMHO, didn't look it up, but going from one I received. 

[Tully Mars]

Minor safety, page 21-22 SHB. - "Leaving empty or live round(s) in a magazine, action, or carrier of the long gun in which it was loaded". 

The shooter was saved a 10 penalty for being called back, as it can be corrected before firing the next gun.

[The Rainmaker, SASS #11631]

We pretty well covered this ad nauseum last week in another post. Yes, MSV...

but should it be???      I say No

[Widder, SASS #59054]

MSV or No Call......... depends on if its MY '97...... 

 

Just jokin.

 

As Rainmaker stated....... MSV if left there.

 

..........Widder

 

[Chicken George*]

Thanks! The confusion had to do with someone saying that it should be different than a double because it isn't in the chamber.

[Equanimous Phil]

6 minutes ago, Chicken George* said:

that it should be different than a double because it isn't in the chamber

With a live round it would have made a difference, SDQ vs. (correctable) MSV. 

 

But the SHB is very clear in this case:

MSV for Leaving empty or live round(s) in a magazine, action, or carrier of the long gun in which it was loaded. (SHB p.22)

and

SHB p.15: A shotgun is considered SAFE to leave the shooter’s hands in the following condition only (some conditions may be corrected before firing the next firearm) :

- Empty.

[Griff]

Refresher RO courses are a very good way to avoid confusion on the gun line.  

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L]

7 hours ago, Chicken George* said:

Order is rifle, shotgun, revolvers. After shooting his last shotgun shot with his 97, he pulls the slide back all the way, the empty hull comes all the way out of the chamber but does not eject. He puts the gun down and starts to run to the revolver location. Someone yells "hull, hull". Visibly annoyed, he comes back and removes the hull. Afterwards, he asks if he really needed to fix that. No one seems to know for sure. 

 

NO CALL.

Saved from a MSV penalty for "Leaving empty or live round(s) in a magazine, action, or carrier of the long gun in which it was loaded." SHB p.22

by PROPER COACHING.

Should have THANKED whoever yelled "hull, hull" before he fired a revolver.

Suggest that at least a few club members READ the SHB and attend RO Courses.

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L]

Additional SHB references:
 

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Shotguns will be cleared and discarded with their barrels pointing in a safe direction.

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Safe Conditions During a Course of Fire – Shotguns

A shotgun is considered SAFE to leave the shooter’s hands in the following condition only (some conditions may be corrected before firing the next firearm):

- Empty.

SHB p.15

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Long guns will be emptied and discarded with their barrels pointed safely downrange. This condition may be corrected on the clock, prior to the next round being fired.

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Should an empty casing/hull be ejected or found in the action or chamber, or a live round on the carrier of an open action, a Minor Safety Violation (MSV) will be assessed.

SHB p.16

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A live round left in the magazine or on the carrier, as well as an empty round left in the chamber, magazine, or on the carrier of the firearm in which it was loaded, results in a Minor Safety Violation.

SHB p.27

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Cleared – no live or empty cases in or on the chamber, magazine, action, or carrier.

SHB p.42