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Henry H001 Action

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Academic question:  what type of action is used in this Henry 22LR?

I understand the Winchester 1873 and older are "link toggle" types.
The Marlin 1894 is a "pivoting carrier".

The H001 is a low pressure 22LR load.
Did Henry opt for a link toggle or similar design for superior cartridge handling?
 

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The Henry H001 is a copy of the Erma (a german company) design.  I have one of the ones from the 80's that was sold under the Iver Johnson name.  It is a fine 22.  It is not a toggle action.  Here is the schematic I took from Numrich.  It looks identical to the Iver Johnson rifle I have.

 

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Howdy,

And a great little shooter it is.

I bought one and bought an older one for my nephew.

A pard had cut the stock for smaller shooters.

It was a huge hit, too.

Best

CR

 

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Howdy BGAVIN,

 

Using Barney's schematic that he posted, this should answer your question:

 

Part # 08/09 is a stationary 'carrier'.   The bullet moves from the mag tube into the carrier body.

 

Part # 11 is a lifter arm which lifts the bullet into position for the bolt to pick up and push into the chamber

when closing the action.

 

Parts # 12  is a 'plunger' type cap and part #13 is the spring which pushes upwards on the plunger, which

in turn pushes upward on the lifter (part #11.

 

The carrier has a slot in its rear section where the lifter fits into.

The carrier also has a round hole in its bottom where the spring and plunger sit.

The front of the carrier also has a hole where the mag tube feeds ammo into the carrier.

 

Hope this helps.

 

These are fine rifles and very reliable.

 

..........Widder

 

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Widder will have to verify the accuracy of the video but I believe this is correct.

 

 

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S.Dave,

YEP, thats it.   Thanks for posting that video.

 

ALL of their .22 lever rifles are identical inside (under the cover).

Whether they are black, silver, brass, etc.... they are the same inside.

They all work the same, including the .22 magnums and .17 HMR lever rifles.

The .22's can be short stroked by various means.

 

To my knowledge, the .22 magnum and .17 HMR can not be short stroked.

They need the full arc of the lever to allow ejection of empties and for the bolt to

pick up following rounds.

 

Some of the earlier lever rifles used a plastic carrier inside.   But all of them now

have aluminum carriers (part 08/09)

 

The reason behind the part number being 08/09 is because the carrier has a right side

and a left side that snap (or riveted) together.

 

As for their reliability, I have fired  one of mine over 5000 rounds with no noticeable wear

areas.  

More recently, I bought another one..... the Golden Boy Youth that I haven't

fired as much.

 

Great rifles.   I like em better than my Winchester 9422.

 

..........Widder

 

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I found another video very similar to the above.
Both appear to demo the 22LR action.

As I understand the wording, this is a "pivoting carrier" similar to the Marlin.

Q: did anybody else use the toggle link action except the early Winchesters and Henry?
I gather it is no longer in production after the 1873 models and the Miroku replicas.

Another Henry Frontier Octagon How-It-Works Video

 

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Interesting the action uses a pivoting carrier yet the round stays pretty much parallel to the axis of the barrel.

AFAIK, except for toggle link actions, all other designs I am aware of the round does not stay parallel to the barrel axis but initially enters the barrel at an angle.

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On 1/20/2020 at 8:36 PM, Widder, SASS #59054 said:

 

 

Great rifles.   I like em better than my Winchester 9422.

 

..........Widder

 

Really ? 

The Winchester 9422.

The Marlin 39.

Both will out last 5 Henry guns and still have a higher value. 

I have a couple of the Henry. 22's for my Grandsons .

I think they are a nice little plinker  .

But they can't hold a candle to the other two . 

Just Sayin. 

Rooster 

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2 hours ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said:

Really ? 

The Winchester 9422.

The Marlin 39.

Both will out last 5 Henry guns and still have a higher value. 

I have a couple of the Henry. 22's for my Grandsons .

I think they are a nice little plinker  .

But they can't hold a candle to the other two . 

Just Sayin. 

Rooster 

 

Howdy Rooster.

There is a reason I compared it to the 9422.

I think the 9422 is probably the finest .22 lever rifle ever made.

Its durability, functionality and simplicity does indeed make it a #1 choice for many folks.

And that is the reason I also own one.

 

But as I stated in my opinion, I do like the Henry's better.

As for outlasting, who knows.   I shoot my Henry A LOT over the past couple years

and its still running strong.  And it is fast..... real fast.   Of course, some of that speed

is due to my short stroking it.

 

...........Widder

 

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Doing some reading, it appears the 9422 died for the same reason so many others died:  producing "quality" is too expensive to be profitable.

At my late stage of life, I have no interest in being a "fanboy" of anything.  I have no dog in the fight.
Every gun I own will outlast me... and like the vast majority of us, our grand children will have absolutely no interest in Grampaw's guns or other treasures.
Guns, cameras, musical instruments, tools... all my treasures will be cleaned out like so much old junk.

We've all been to yard and estate sales where a dead man's treasures are discarded due to lack of interest by the living heirs.
Here in the PRK I see the 160+ year old Van Vleck Ranch being sold off by heirs who don't care one bit about it beyond, the $$ value of the land.
If the Democrats get their way, guns will be illegal for my grand children to own anyway.

In my area of expertise, the Nikon D810 digital camera (Henry) is a wonderful instrument.
The Nikon D850 (9422) is a bit more wonderful than the D810, but not much.
Both are superb at what they do, and each does something the other cannot do.
I've never seen a hearse towing a trailer, so I own both.

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21 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said:

 

Howdy Rooster.

There is a reason I compared it to the 9422.

I think the 9422 is probably the finest .22 lever rifle ever made.

Its durability, functionality and simplicity does indeed make it a #1 choice for many folks.

And that is the reason I also own one.

 

But as I stated in my opinion, I do like the Henry's better.

As for outlasting, who knows.   I shoot my Henry A LOT over the past couple years

and its still running strong.  And it is fast..... real fast.   Of course, some of that speed

is due to my short stroking it.

 

...........Widder

 

There is no doubt that Henry makes a very nice American made .22 Lever Gun.

I think the Winchester 9422 WAS the best to ever do it .

And the Marlin was a very close second  .

Some might even say the other way around. 

I would put Henry as a third best over all.

And 1st best current production. 

So Saith The Rooster. :D

 

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On 1/20/2020 at 7:52 PM, Sedalia Dave said:

Interesting the action uses a pivoting carrier yet the round stays pretty much parallel to the axis of the barrel.

AFAIK, except for toggle link actions, all other designs I am aware of the round does not stay parallel to the barrel axis but initially enters the barrel at an angle.

“pretty much” parallel is right 

the round does nose up a ramp and

starts at an angle entering the chamber

 

60-66-73 (toggle link) keep the rounds much flatterer during the feed process

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Are the Henrys 22 22L 22LR?  That first video showed it marked that way.

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WOLFY,

Of those I have worked on, it appears all of them could function with .22 short, Long and LR.

 

BUT, some were marked for Long Rifle while many of the later ones (and present) are marked

S, L, LR on the barrel.

 

..........Widder

 

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thanks widder

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Boy oh boy a Full length Henry Golden boy with a octogon barrel .

Loaded with .22shorts .

Would truly be 

( Load on Sunday and shoot all week ) lol 

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2 minutes ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said:

Boy oh boy a Full length Henry Golden boy with a octogon barrel .

Loaded with .22shorts .

Would truly be 

( Load on Sunday and shoot all week ) lol 

 

We could wear out our wrist before the mag tube was empty..... :lol:

 

Here in E.TN, there are plenty of  CCI .22 Short available..... but some of the stores that are stocking it in bulk

are pricing it about the same (or more) than the CCI Mini-Mags.

 

And naturally, when I go to stock up, I try to get the ammo that not only works great in the Henry, but

also in .22 autos like the Remington Nylon 66, Marlin Model 60's, Ruger 10/22's and various

.22 auto pistols.

 

Our local BUD's in Sevierville, TN has has a huge stock of CCI .22 Short available for over a year and it

seems that hardly any of it ever sells.    

 

..........Widder

 

 

 

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Guess you could say I am a Henry Golden Boy fan.

Have 5 in the safe.

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6 minutes ago, Anvil Al #59168 said:

Guess you could say I am a Henry Golden Boy fan.

Have 5 in the safe.

 

I had about 25 last fall... but most of them sold at the TN State.

 

Slater still has 6 of them ready to ship with the Widder Soft Stroke/Slater trigger mod

already set up.

 

AL, actually I only own 2 of them..... the Evil Roy model and a Golden Boy Youth.   The GB Youth

seems to be my favorite because its feels so good on the shoulder.

 

..........Widder

 

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44 minutes ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said:

 

I had about 25 last fall... but most of them sold at the TN State.

 

Slater still has 6 of them ready to ship with the Widder Soft Stroke/Slater trigger mod

already set up.

 

AL, actually I only own 2 of them..... the Evil Roy model and a Golden Boy Youth.   The GB Youth

seems to be my favorite because its feels so good on the shoulder.

 

..........Widder

 

 

 

 

When each of my Grandkids was born. I went out and bought one. Had them all checkered and there names

done in the stock. They are just laying in wait for me to hand them over.  The two oldest has shoot theirs a few times.

 

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