Swifty Morgan Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 A sad day that folks are treated differently... Skin color don't mean squat! Words and actions!!! Sorry Apache, I think must of us just don't know the real score... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Tull, SASS #66742 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Another case of 'Seldom' trying to stir things up a bit here on the Saloon. And, according to an anonymous friend on the Mead County Sheriffs Dept., she is NOT a Native American. Black Adder Looks as if Black Adder may have been right. Some people enjoy being the cause of disagreements between friends who have a mutual respect for each other. Plus, we do not know if it was done out of pure meanness, or done simply because he knew it would get a rise out of somebody. Either way it worked. Sort of like his comment on the Wyatt Earp thread a few days ago - just trying to get a rise out of somebody. Tull who is going to kick back and buy a couple of rounds of George Dickle for the house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deja Vous Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Not too PC, eh? But the sad part of it is that Native Americans have an alcohol abuse rate three to six times higher than the general population, depending on which study you want to believe. Anywhere from 10-50% of deaths are alcohol related, again depending on the study. Our med school in OK took care of a lot of Native Americans, and their health issues were staggering. Very sad indeed. Okay... enough is enough here guys.. Sadly we can not dirnk, those who try take the risk of being addicted. Also true is that the high carb sugar diet of the while people who decided to put us on reservations in the middle of now where was not some thing we adapted to very well either. We have a staggering rate of diabetes too. I have one sister and one brother that were addicted to booze. My limit is well below the school speed zone.. and I know it.. I do not get sick, so I am guessing it I wanted to "hide" my sorrows and woes it would be easy to do so. But having more white in my veins than red I guess helped, but I do lack tolerances. Carbs and sugars, as well as caffine can fire me up like a turbo. It is sad, but true.. and history did create this problem. Rosebd reservation in SD is poor and riddled with diseases such as these. I am very happy to have not grown up on the reservation, to only visit and join in on the fun. I consider myself as lucky. I do not get insulted by this sort of thing, because the truth can not insult you if you are honest about it, and you take the better path and don't get addicted to things. I watched Lonesome Dove part 3 tonight with my friends. And the is the one where they kill off Spoon for being a horse thief. He spurs the horse so he hangs himself so his friends don't have to. He in the end had character and morals and strength. It was also the end of the life of the Marshals from Arkansas wife who left him for a past lover. Proving her lack of morals and family. The end result it the same, destruction of your morales and character ruins the spirit, and addiction does that. So, the person maybe was white or red or black or brown or yellow or blue.. but the truth is, you can't be hurt by the truth. Do the tribes have a reason for their woes, I guess that is a different topic... no, my feelings are not hurt.. you have to work very hard at that. Deja Ps.. not picking on; you Okies.. you are telling the facts.. facts do not lie.. If they did then I could feel sorry for myself I guess cuz I am a breed.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Hmmm.... a .708... that would make one heck of a wildcat round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deja Vous Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Hmmm.... a .708... that would make one heck of a wildcat round. Okies knows all about wildcats.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swifty Morgan Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 LaLaLa! That would be for another kind of forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deja Vous Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 LaLaLa! That would be for another kind of forum! lol.. yeah.. the Okie forum.. lol..... Come on Okies.. tell us all about wildcats.. you can write it in french and I can read it.. lol... Geesh I love to tease him... cuz his wife keeps him in line.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I think Okie gets a pass on this one considering it was only his response to a previous post by someone who doesn't have nearly as much class or concern. SEE POST #8 Don't know about Okie's level of class (we've had our bouts ), but agree with what ya say... GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldom Seen #16162 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 The usual emotion rants aside what makes you think she is not Native American? And what makes you think Uncle Sam isn't buying her booze? The Reservation system is a dismal failure in socialism from it's earliest attempts to remove the Indian from the child. The culture that exists on the reservations is one that expects hand outs from the government. I presented the pards who claim to have Native American blood a opportunity to educate us about the unique problems they face. Deja Vous and Okie Sawbones have presented information although Okie came under attack. Until everyone acknowledges the problems how is it going ot change? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26439767/ns/health-addictions/t/native-american-deaths-alcohol-related/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Hmmm.... a .708... that would make one heck of a wildcat round. I gots one! I have never understood why alcohol consumption to insensibility is considered an excuse and in many cases the perp is not considered guilty of crimes committed while in such a state. Good example being cases of spousal abuse. "It wasn't his fault, he was drunk". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Don't know about Okie's level of class (we've had our bouts ), but agree with what ya say... GG ~ Well I got friends in low places, Where the whiskey drowns and the beer chases... It's all good. Everyone has a bad hair day occasionally and does/says things they wish they had not. Real friends support each other even with their faults and disagreements. I still owe you one for those Lupe's Fajitas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 The usual emotion rants aside what makes you think she is not Native American? And what makes you think Uncle Sam isn't buying her booze? uhhhh. what do you KNOW about the case? What makes you assume she is native american (just because she lives in South Dakota ) and what makes you think Uncle Sam is buying here booze (just because you assume that native americans are dependent on the government)... What logic http://www.wellbriety-nci.org/Publications/myth.htm GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Well I got friends in low places, Where the whiskey drowns and the beer chases... It's all good. Everyone has a bad hair day occasionally and does/says things they wish they had not. Real friends support each other even with their faults and disagreements. I still owe you one for those Lupe's Fajitas! Actually owe you one - you got the recipe....well good pard, 'does that mean we can be friends again? ' GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Windshadow Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Looks as if Black Adder may have been right. Some people enjoy being the cause of disagreements between friends who have a mutual respect for each other. Plus, we do not know if it was done out of pure meanness, or done simply because he knew it would get a rise out of somebody. Either way it worked. Sort of like his comment on the Wyatt Earp thread a few days ago - just trying to get a rise out of somebody. Tull who is going to kick back and buy a couple of rounds of George Dickle for the house My Dad Referred to folks like that as "Mixers" and the invention of the internet must have been like a gift from the gods to them.... I just do not understand the 'why' of internet trolling but it is with us all the time and "Do not feed the troll" is about all we can do about it and when something outrageous is posted that can be very hard to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Actually owe you one - you got the recipe....well good pard, 'does that mean we can be friends again? ' GG ~ Okie: And you must be GG. Look, darling, GG. The deadliest pistoleer since Wild Bill, they say. What do you think, darling? Should I hate him? Wildcat: You don't even know him. Okie: Yes, but there's just something about him. Something around the eyes, I don't know, reminds me of... me. No. I'm sure of it, I hate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 It is better to be thought a fool than to open yur mouth and remove all doubt !! Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Okie: And you must be GG. Look, darling, GG. The deadliest pistoleer since Wild Bill, they say. What do you think, darling? Should I hate him? Wildcat: You don't even know him. Okie: Yes, but there's just something about him. Something around the eyes, I don't know, reminds me of... me. No. I'm sure of it, I hate him. I reckon so.... GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 I sat on the jury for a DUI case. The expert for the DA insisted that at the blood alcohol level of the accused the average 170 pound man would belong passed out drunk, no exceptions. Since the accused was about 105 pounds and just turned 21 we figured that she didn't have the experience to handle alcohol, and since she was so much lighter than 170, and was obviously not passed out, there must have been something wrong with the test. Now, that being in Chico, CA, and the incident occurring at the start of the semester with lots of "get acquainted" parties, we, the jury, figured she likely was guilty as sin. But because we could only go on the evidence presented, we had to say Not Guilty. You can find an "expert" that will support any theory you want to advance. I've had one side testify that a individual with a .30 BAC would be dead, and another expert at the same trial testify that the same individual would have been able to walk, stand and communicate with very little indication of intoxication. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 You can find an "expert" that will support any theory you want to advance. I've had one side testify that a individual with a .30 BAC would be dead, and another expert at the same trial testify that the same individual would have been able to walk, stand and communicate with very little indication of intoxication. Go figure. Yeah, I know. The first thing we all agreed on was that both attorneys were idiots. Second was that by hammering on the "a 170 man would be passed out at that BAL" the way the prosecution did, he shot himself in the foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldom Seen #16162 Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 uhhhh. what do you KNOW about the case? What makes you assume she is native american (just because she lives in South Dakota ) and what makes you think Uncle Sam is buying here booze (just because you assume that native americans are dependent on the government)... What logic http://www.wellbriety-nci.org/Publications/myth.htm GG ~ There was no intention on my part to cause the reaction I have. I was merely trying to make a point about what many consider to be the failure of the reservation system. I also am puzzled by the chip on the shoulder of the pards that claim to be Native American as most N.A.'s I have the honor of knowing are hard working successful family ones who have told me why they won't have anything to do living on a reservation or alcohol. One of bosses whom I admired was a full-blooded Cherokee who had all sorts of problems with alcohol. Fortunately somewhere along the line he was able to quit drinking and he was a blast to work for. I am also familiar than most of the wire about the problems N.A.'s in S.D. have as I have a close relative that works as a nurse in the hospital in Rapid City. There should be nothing in my post as a attack on Native Americans or any of the Pards on this wire. If for some reason you choose to take offense then I apologize. I can only guess by you calling attention to your feelings that I unintently hit a subject close to home. I can understand that as my work with alcoholics usually involved very disfunctional families and very deep emotional issues. Some topics just are not meant for the Wire. P.S. G.G. Thank you for the link. It was very informative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Smokepole #29248L Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 .40% is fatal in about 50% of cases and .5% IS fatal in about 99.9% of cases... I have never had anyone with a BAC level above .42 and survived.... Once had a .42 but she was comatose...... Her brain was fried from it too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deja Vous Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 There was no intention on my part to cause the reaction I have. I was merely trying to make a point about what many consider to be the failure of the reservation system. I also am puzzled by the chip on the shoulder of the pards that claim to be Native American as most N.A.'s I have the honor of knowing are hard working successful family ones who have told me why they won't have anything to do living on a reservation or alcohol. One of bosses whom I admired was a full-blooded Cherokee who had all sorts of problems with alcohol. Fortunately somewhere along the line he was able to quit drinking and he was a blast to work for. I am also familiar than most of the wire about the problems N.A.'s in S.D. have as I have a close relative that works as a nurse in the hospital in Rapid City. There should be nothing in my post as a attack on Native Americans or any of the Pards on this wire. If for some reason you choose to take offense then I apologize. I can only guess by you calling attention to your feelings that I unintently hit a subject close to home. I can understand that as my work with alcoholics usually involved very disfunctional families and very deep emotional issues. Some topics just are not meant for the Wire. P.S. G.G. Thank you for the link. It was very informative. Seldom seen.. a story seldom told. Your comment about taking the indian out of the child is what did happen. Stories told are that children were taken from their parents to attend school. If you spoke of your faith or your language you could face being locked up in your room with no food, and sometimes the soap in the mouth trick. You were made to believe that you way was totally wrong, and there for you and your race were dismal failures. Once you are sold on being a failure the next step is depression. From there I guess many men felt like the only way out was to be loaded as their way of life was gone. A restless breed we are. Growing up they could not keep me off the horses and from racing thru the fields, jumping fences and swimming in the river. I love the outdoors more than anything. And still in my era people were a bit put off by how dark I got in the summers around their little blond children.. lol.. Or maybe it was the wild sense of adventure and humor, guess I will never know. While it was hard for some to leave the rez, it was harder to go back and be treated differently... because you were working hard and not drinking. My father never drank, never will. Nor did my grandmother. None of this rests on the backs of any person born after all that happened is what my grandmother use to tell me and I concur. None of us can be lynch for what our ancestors did. Nor can you ever go back, or change the past... it is what it is. All we can do is go forward, realize there are weaknesses.. and in SD.. yeah.. their are poor tribes, like Rosebud.. and the rich ones too. It is simply what my dad calls life.. bumps and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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