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In today's day and age you can't poke fun at a particular ethnicity or minority, so here we deal with all of them!An Aboriginal, a Englishman an overweight Yank, a NZ Maori, a Kiwi, a Tasmanian disabled person, an elderly person from Latvia, a Swedish blonde, a German, an Italian, a drunk Irishman, a Pole, a Greek, an Indian, a Canadian politician, an Afro-American, a Mexican, a Dutchman, an arrogant Frenchman, a Brazilian, an Ethiopian, a Turk, a Jap, a Chinaman, a Russian, an Indonesian, a Malaysian, a Cambodian, a Burmese and a Vietnamese all went together to an upmarket nightclub.The bouncer said, sorry guys, I can't let you in without a Thai.

Some of you might not want to blame Baldwin, but where does the blame belong? Surely you don't think the GUN needs the blame! Somebody loaded the gun with 'something'. Somebody fired it and Somebody died. The gun didn't load itselfowndangself and it surely didn't fire itsowndangself. Accident or not............ Baldwin is at the center of this. That poster above is very befitting of someone who has tried to take away MY freedoms with his self righteous arrogance. ..........Widder

Somehow that sh**bird will turn this into an anti-2A thing. My heart goes out to that lady’s family.

That is so sweet. Your words made me cry happy tears. That is proof I am better as I'm getting my sappy chickness back.

There are folks on this thread that I have the deepest respect for. But most of them posting are just plain WRONG. A movie set is NOT (supposed to be) real life - it is make believe. Camera angles are not designed and set on the basis of the "Rules of safe gun handling" - they are set based on what the director thinks will look cool onscreen. An actor is specifically instructed NOT to handle the firearm in ANY way outside of the script direction. This is designed to avoid muddying the chain of events/ custody if an accident does occur. A live round should never be on the set of a film - but like the accident that claimed Brandon Lees life; there may be some horrible combination of circumstances that lead to this outcome. Regardless of my feelings for Alec Baldwin - no one on this thread (including myself) knows the exact details. And for the "It doesn't matter - he should have checked. Any outcome is his fault" proponents. Would you say the same if the hood comes off a NASCAR stock car and flies into the flagman? Should the driver have checked the bolts? How about your airline pilot - You ever see him walk out of the cockpit to personally check the overhead bins are closed and that the doors are secured? These are professional people, a driver, a pilot, an actor who use a TOOL and rely on others to ensure the safety of their performance. But we get all holier than thou because it is a firearm and WE (not them) have been drilled our lives with the rules; but I guarantee you have never checked the lug nuts on your rental car, never insisted on the installation of a Carbon Monoxide detector in a hotel room, never insisted on seeing the safety report on the elevator you're walking into or walked the piling of a highway overpass searching for cracks before driving across. We ASSUME that these things have been completed by the folks assigned these duties. An actor is no different - just a different tool. A person lost their life, another was injured. Tragedy occurred and you all prove to anyone watching that Pro Gunners are no better than the other side - because before the facts are known - we want to place blame and punish someone involved because their politics differ from ours. I thought we were supposed to be better than that.

I wasn’t, because he’s the type of person who discourages teaching firearms safety in schools. Every grade school kid should have a firearms safety course , it wouldn’t eliminate tragedy’s like this but it would go a long way to reducing them .

Can’t stomach Baldwin but wouldn’t wish this on anyone. Prayers for that poor lady and her family, you just never know....

From the picture, it looks like either a split case, or bad crimp allow the bullet in the first round to telescope into the brass. There are two ways to clear this. The first involves removing the magazine and cap, spring, and follower. Then took the rifle up and all the bullets fall out. The second involves a screwdriver. With the screwdriver, you will press the second round back up into the magazine while simultaneously pushing forward the lever to lift the carrier up.

"Reposting from Michael Vaughan: PSA - If you are ever lost while hiking, get stranded with a broken down car, etc and you notice your cell phone is either low on juice or has no signal, here is a tip that very well may save your life. Change the voicemail on your phone to a message that gives your approximate location, the time, the date, your situation (lost, out of gas, car broken down, injured, etc) and any special instructions such as you are staying with the car, you are walkinc toward a town, etc.... The best part of this is that even if your cell phone dies or stops working, voicemail still works, so anyone calling your phone looking for you will hear the message and know where to find you or where to send help."

Exactly. To us it is reflexive to check a gun’s condition. That vast majority of actors are not us. That’s why there’s the role of Armorer when needed on the set.

Totally NOT concerned with the condition of the base of the bullet. WHAT did the bore look like?? The combustion of Black Powder creates a cumulative amount of fouling in the bore that can be VERY crusty. The Residue of APP or Black MZ or the Shooters World version of Black MZ, require no lubricant as they create their own lubricant. With the APP based Subs, each round fired removes the previous round of residue.

I'm seeing a lot of "it wasn't a real gun, it was a prop gun" on the internet. And that "they were making a movie, the armorer rather than the actor is responsible for gun safety". If it weren't for those two delusions, this accident likely would not have happened. If the actors on a movie set were as diligent about checking each other as SASS members were, would this woman be dead? Likely not.

The set Armorer is 1st in-line for answering as to what happened.

Horrible result for the victims and their families and friends. As far as not giving Baldwin a hard time, he would be relentlessly ridiculing someone else if they were a known conservative supporter of the previous administration. He'd be on Saturday Night Live performing skits about it.

The armorer will be first in line as having direct blame. The producer has blame the same way that the owner of any company is responsible for the actions of his employees. Of course if it is found that the armorer is not "proper" in one way or another, or if the firearms were prepared by somebody other than the armorer and anybody knew about it, then more heads will be on the block. IMHO Not being "in the industry" I dont know, but I wouldn't expect the film's insurance company would allow the actors to unload and reload their gun to "ensure it is loaded properly with blanks". That is why the film company hires a professional armorer.

I would disagree, he’s as much to blame as the armorer/prop guy . No different than if he was going to act out a knife fight and someone handed him a sharp knife and he cut or stabbed someone. If you’re the end user your responsibility. I know if someone hands me a gun the first thing I want to know Is if it’s loaded or not .

I’m embarrassed how much that made me laugh.

“Prop guns” simply mean any gun used on the set of a theatrical production. Most are fully functioning guns perfectly capable of firing live ammo. I won’t speculate on what happened here. It’s too soon, and a tragedy for all involved. But here’s a good summary of the accident that killed Brandon Lee. It was a long and bizarre chain of events. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Lee P.S. I spent several years doing stage work as a prop master, including a few productions with weapons. I was maniacal about safety with my actors. A friend was doing a western-themed production and asked to borrow my Vaqueros. As soon as he said they’d be “perfectly safe” because they were “only using blanks”, I declined his request. He had not a clue.

To me there's nothing like a Colt 1911, the first, the original the best IMHO, Ya'll can have your Glocks I never cared for them. Good gun, reliable and all that blah blah blah but gimme a 1911 anyday!

I will take them

OK, a western, presumably a single action revolver, how does he hit two people?

Chicken feet are legal tender in Nawlins. kR

Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw once: "Nuke a gay whale for Jesus. Is there anyone I didn't offend?"

Well, day one is in the books. Tomorrow, brings the first of the main match stages. I hope y'all enjoy yourselves over the next 10 stages!

According to Space.com, if you look near the full "Hunter's Moon", you can see Uranus. Does this require a mirror?

I don't know what happened and my heart goes out to the families. Having said that... Baldwin is a grown adult who has made a living using guns in his movies. He should absolutely know you don't point a gun at anyone. I also am not buying that the two victims were behind the camera. I would think if they were going for "the shot", they would setup the camera and step aside before calling for action. Just saying...

A 1911 is what you show your friends, a Glock is what you show your enemies.

You could always call Alec Baldwin.

Those are kind of rare...

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