Sgt. Hochbauer, SASS #64409 Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 I just got a jug of cleanshot powder but cannot find any info on which MEC bushings to use to load 13.5-15gr. I called MEC and they did not have the information. Any info would be appreciated. TIA Hochbauer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Tall Bob Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 Pm sent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 Btw on flea-bay you can buy 3D printed bushings for way less than the MEC aluminum ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 (edited) Info deleted Edited September 18 by Texas Maverick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt Dan Blodgett, SASS #75655 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 Silly Me was going to recommend picking a bushing and weighing the charge, then go up or down in size depending 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 1 hour ago, Texas Maverick said: Scarlett Darling sent this to me a few years back. · AA or STS · Cleanshot Powder · #18 MEC Bushing · 7/8 Oz shot TM Not really useful information. There is no wad given and more importantly there is no charge weight. MEC bushing charge weights are STARTING points. The chances that the charge will weigh what the chart says is virtually zero. Powder density varies between batches. Charge weight can vary immensely depending on the loader's loading technique. Charge weights vary between, for example, a MEC 600 single stage press and a MEC 9000 progressive press. Without a charge weight loading data is not data. It is useless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: Not really useful information. There is no wad given and more importantly there is no charge weight. MEC bushing charge weights are STARTING points. The chances that the charge will weigh what the chart says is virtually zero. Powder density varies between batches. Charge weight can vary immensely depending on the loader's loading technique. Charge weights vary between, for example, a MEC 600 single stage press and a MEC 9000 progressive press. Without a charge weight loading data is not data. It is useless. True but all the OP asked for was the bushing number which is what I have provided him. It is up to him to start there and verify it is what he is looking for and go from there just like Sgt Dan said. I have given him the starting point from the lady that sells it. TM Edited September 18 by Texas Maverick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 Not to be argumenative and not directing anything at you, you did not say what the bushing is supposed to drop. You just said here is a load you got from Scarlett. If it is supposed to drop the charge the OP was asking about a clear answer would have been "a #18 bushing should drop X grains". We all need to be careful when providing loading data. SASS use to not allow loading data because of typos and people providing untested data. There use to be a member that frequented the wire with the alias of Birdshot that worked for Hodgden. Many times he had to post warnings that suggested data was unsafe. His testing is why SASS does not allow "tapering" shotshells. "Shotgun shells shall not be sized down (necked) by the use of any die not manufactured for the specific gauge." Several years ago several shooters would run their 12 gauge shells into a 20 gauge sizer and squash the end of the 12 gauge down. This was supposed to facilitate loading double barrel shotguns. Birdshot tested the practice and found this raised pressures well above the max allowed for a 12 guage shotgun. One thing that is a PITA is that MEC numbers do not tell you the hole size. Hornady, RCBS, Spolar etc use the actual bushing ID as the bushing number. I.e., a #456 Hornady bushing is .456 ID. MEC conversion tables are hard to find but here is a chart showing MEC ID sizes just as an FYI for the wire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 1 hour ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: Not to be argumenative and not directing anything at you, you did not say what the bushing is supposed to drop. You just said here is a load you got from Scarlett. If it is supposed to drop the charge the OP was asking about a clear answer would have been "a #18 bushing should drop X grains". We all need to be careful when providing loading data. SASS use to not allow loading data because of typos and people providing untested data. There use to be a member that frequented the wire with the alias of Birdshot that worked for Hodgden. Many times he had to post warnings that suggested data was unsafe. His testing is why SASS does not allow "tapering" shotshells. "Shotgun shells shall not be sized down (necked) by the use of any die not manufactured for the specific gauge." Several years ago several shooters would run their 12 gauge shells into a 20 gauge sizer and squash the end of the 12 gauge down. This was supposed to facilitate loading double barrel shotguns. Birdshot tested the practice and found this raised pressures well above the max allowed for a 12 guage shotgun. One thing that is a PITA is that MEC numbers do not tell you the hole size. Hornady, RCBS, Spolar etc use the actual bushing ID as the bushing number. I.e., a #456 Hornady bushing is .456 ID. MEC conversion tables are hard to find but here is a chart showing MEC ID sizes just as an FYI for the wire. No problem here, you are correct. I just posted what Scarlett had sent me but she didn't say how much it dropped. Just said this is a starting point with CleanShot. I shoot Clays still until I run out so I have never had to start my testing yet with CleanShot so I can't give him anymore info than that. I see where it could be misleading and will go back and delete my info so I don't confuse the issue any further. thanks TM 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Hochbauer, SASS #64409 Posted September 18 Author Share Posted September 18 Gentleman, I thank you for the info and shall see if I have a # 18 bushing if not I will pick one up.Now just to get my MEC 9000 tweaked. Hochbauer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 5 hours ago, Cpt Dan Blodgett, SASS #75655 said: Silly Me was going to recommend picking a bushing and weighing the charge, then go up or down in size depending That’s what I did with my universal charge bar for powder and shot! 😜 Hugs! Scarlett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"Big Boston" Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 My $0.02: The VMD of Clean Shot is .1033. You have the volumes above, and a bit of math will get you your answers. Or: Accurate No 2 has a VMD of .1023, so that's what I'd use to get close. So #15 = 13.3, #16 = 14, #17 = 14.7, #18 = 15.2 It goes without saying that you should weigh a couple of charges to check. BB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 here is some Data that was compiled by cowboys who helped us generate CAS data for Clean Shot. I apologize if I have shared data that was inappropriate. Sometimes people tell me their load and don’t provide all of the information… I double check any information when using shared data myself to make sure it is within the parameters I want and expect that others do as well. I will ad that caveat to all shared data - I generally do say to test - and will make sure that it is clearly written. Thank you! Hugs! Scarlett Clean Shot Cowboy Shared Data.pdf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky R. K. Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 Frankfort Arsenal Digital Scale D5-750 reloading scale. Every reloader needs one of these. Throw a few charges from MEC bushing No. "XX" and weigh them. Take the average and that is the weight that bushing throws. For an exact weight charge, throw the charge slightly less than the desired weight, then finish with a trickle charger. Lucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 14 hours ago, Sgt. Hochbauer, SASS #64409 said: Gentleman, I thank you for the info and shall see if I have a # 18 bushing if not I will pick one up.Now just to get my MEC 9000 tweaked. Hochbauer Let us know how it goes. The 9000 is a great loader. It is what I have and I have never looked back after getting it. TM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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