How much longer will a C&R license be legal...

[Three Foot Johnson]

One of the biggest requirements for a firearm to qualify as C&R is being 50+ years old, and there are a LOT of modern rifles made in, or prior to, 1968 that qualify.

Weatherby Mk V

Winchester M70

Remington 700

Savage 110

Ruger M77

 

 

And a whole host of "modern" handguns too.

 

 

[Utah Bob #35998]

I suspect the requirements for C&R eligibility will change in the future.

[Sedalia Dave]

Some of the early AR-15s are now 50 years old.

[Alpo]

19 minutes ago, Utah Bob #35998 said:

I suspect the requirements for C&R eligibility will change in the future.

The cutoff between "antique" and "modern" guns used to be 100 years. Every year the cutoff moved farther forward. And then they stopped it so there would be no "antiques" made after 1900.

[Three Foot Johnson]

I'm referring to Curio & Relic - Antique is another category with a cut-off of "in or before 1898", while C&R is 50 or more years old.

[Sedalia Dave]

21 minutes ago, Alpo said:

The cutoff between "antique" and "modern" guns used to be 100 years. Every year the cutoff moved farther forward. And then they stopped it so there would be no "antiques" made after 1900.

 

 

From the ATF website

 

Curios & Relics

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A regulation implementing Federal firearms laws, 27 CFR §478.11, defines Curio or Relic (C&R) firearms as those which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons.

 

To be recognized as C&R items, 478.11 specifies that firearms must fall within one of the following categories:

 

1. Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas of such firearms;

 

2. Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and

 

3.Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.

 

Firearms automatically attain C&R status when they are 50 years old. Any firearm that is at least 50 years old, and in its original configuration, would qualify as a C&R firearm. It is not necessary for such firearms to be listed in ATF's C&R list. Therefore, ATF does not generally list firearms in the C&R publication by virtue of their age. However, if you wish for a classification of your particular firearm under categories (b) or (c) above and wish your item to be listed, you may submit the weapon to the Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division (FATD) for a formal classification.

 

Please note that firearms regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) may be classified as C&R items, but still may be subject to the provisions of the NFA. If your C&R item is an NFA firearm (e.g., Winchester Trappers) and you desire removal from the NFA status, you must submit it to FATD for evaluation and a formal classification.

 

 

 

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Antique Firearm -

(A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898;

or

(B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica - (i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or (ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in
the ordinary channels of commercial trade;

or

(C) any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, or muzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or
a black powder subsitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition.

For purposes of this subparagraph, the term "antique firearm" shall not include any weapon which incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readily converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof.

 

 

[Sixgun Sheridan]

My last C&R purchase was a 1950's Colt Government Model... nearly identical to the new ones they're still making today. Yeah, I suspect the rules will change soon.

[Abilene Slim SASS 81783]

What does a C&R license allow vs those who don't have one?

[Three Foot Johnson]

If a gun was made after 1899, it has to go through an FFL holder. If it was made fifty plus years ago from the current date, it can go to a Type 3 C&R FFL holder instead of a Type 1 holder.

The C&R was created to make it easier for collectors to build their collection of surplus arms without having to have, or go through, a Type 1 FFL holder. It is considerably less expensive -  $30, and it's good for 3 years. Some distributors and retailers also offer a discount for FFL holders. The hitch is a lot of Type 1 FFL holders refuse to ship to C&R holders because they have to make a phone call to verify the validity of the license, instead of just looking it up on the ATF EZ Check site. Anything 50+ years old qualifies as C&R. ATF also publishes a list of other guns that are eligible, such as most commemoratives, regardless of when they were made, and oddballs such as the 13mm Gyrojet  pistol. (12mm and 13mm both qualify, being over 50 years old, but the 13mm is a "destructive device", being over .50 cal, and needed to be specifically exempted, so it's on the list)

Anybody can petition ATF to have any firearm added to the C&R list, and if they agree with your reasoning, they'll add it.

[Abilene Slim SASS 81783]

Thanks J Bar!

[J.D. Daily]

A former coworker & resident of CA acquired a C&R license when the Hillbilly Whore Hopper was POTUS.  He collects military rifles.  He also, attends at least one Big Reno Show a year.  His reasoning for having the license is it saves the CA 10 work day cooling off period for C&R's & having to send a C&R he purchases in NV to a CA FFL.

[Utah Bob #35998]

8 hours ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said:

What does a C&R license allow vs those who don't have one?

You can buy C&R guns on line and have them shipped directly to you (unless your state prohibits)

[Sixgun Sheridan]

A C&R is basically an FFL that allows you to purchase (and occasionally sell) eligible firearms for the purpose of building or enhancing a collection. However if you sell a large number of guns in a short period of time it will no doubt raise eyebrows at ATF and you'll probably get a visit from them. You also have to keep a bound book logging your acquisitions and dispositions just like an FFL does. It does not allow you to engage in buying and selling guns as a business, which is why selling too many at once will make ATF suspicious. Every time you renew you have to report how many guns you've bought and sold since the last renewal.