Three Foot Johnson Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Shooting order was to double tap five targets outside, outside, inside, inside, middle - 1-1-5-5-2-2-4-4-3-3 or, since the order wasn't specified, 1-1-5-5-4-4-2-2-3-3, or start at the other end even, if you wanted, 5-5-1-1-4-4-2-2-3-3 or 5-5-1-1-2-2-4-4-3-3. It's not important which one we use, so I'll go with the 1st one - Shooter apparently didn't see the first target when the buzzer went off and shot 2-2-5-5-3-3-4-4 and ran out of steel with two rounds left. He still didn't see the first target for some reason and double tapped #2 again: 2-2-5-5-3-3-4-4-2-2 According to the Miss Flow Chart, it appears this is a procedural only, even though target #1 was never engaged at all. Did the shooter hit all the correct type of targets with legally acquired ammo? YES Assess no misses. Did the shooter engage the targets in the correct order? NO Assess procedural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 A P and some good natured ribbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dang It Dan 13202 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 He hit (shot at and hit) the appropriate targets with the appropriate gun. No misses. Only a "P". If he had shot say the rifle targets with the pistol, or the other way around, then there would be misses involved. Ahh, the flowchart. Sometimes good, sometimes not, but it is what it is. Dang It Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Recalibrate your internal definition of a miss. It's wrong. A "SASS miss" is failing to hit the correct TYPE of target for the gun being used (or not enough shots fired as specified by the stage instructions). Shooting the targets out of order is only a procedural penalty. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacknife Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Did the shooter hit all the correct type of targets with legally acquired ammo? YES Assess no misses. So, it seems the answer to would be NO. shooter didn't hit ALL the correct targets with legally acquired ammo. Just something to think about maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 Hmmm, interpretation... Did he hit all the correct type of targets? NO, HE ONLY HIT 4 OUT OF 5. Perhaps it should say, "Did all bullets hit the correct type of targets?" Either way, procedural or two misses, it would be the same 10 second penalty in this case. We assessed it as a procedural only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiowa Kid, SASS #69870L Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 So, it seems the answer to would be NO. shooter didn't hit ALL the correct targets with legally acquired ammo. Just something to think about maybe. Yes he did, key word being TYPE just wrong order. KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubious Don #56333 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 No misses, just a P..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 So, it seems the answer to would be NO. shooter didn't hit ALL the correct targets with legally acquired ammo. Just something to think about maybe. Awkwardly worded sentence in the flow chart. Can be made more clear if reworded to have the intent that the rules committee seems to have wanted: "Did the shooter, with each shot fired, hit the correct type of targets with legally acquired ammo?" Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefro, SASS#69420 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 A “miss” is defined as the failure to hit the appropriate target type using the appropriate type firearm. Jefro Relax-Enjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck D. Law, SASS #62183 Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 As Ed McMahon often said to Johnny Carson and Phil Hartman, while mimicking Ed, often said to Dana Carvey, who often mimicked Johnny, "You are correct, Sir!" It's only a P. Basically, you're not double penalizing a shooter for having a brain fade. Even if the shooter had completely misunderstood the instructions and instead shot the targets inside to outside, he would have hit all the correct "type" of targets, but in the wrong order. Shooting the targets in the wrong order is what brought about the P. On one occasion I was nearby when a shooter got mixed up and shot the rifle targets with his pistols. Not only did it slow him down tremendously, after hitting all the rifle targets, he received 10 misses...but no P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painted Filly Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Was there 10 dings? If so no misses. He hit pistol targets 10 times but out of order. No misses and a P. Painted Filly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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