Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 It was 5 yrs ago this spring that i found that I have trouble with sugar, i've never really been officially called diabetic because they only got that one high reading of 225 from me. Changed my diet trastically, found the right supplements and apple cider vinegar to manage without any meds. I never really knew which supplements work best but one thing I do know, if I don't take anything for a few days and don't drink my vinegar (2 tbls mixed in water) my numbers are 136 ish in the mornings, but if i do "right" and follow my regimine my numbers are 110 and less in the mornings. I also still watch what I eat with zeal... One side note, last fall at a memorial shoot for Ruthless McDraw i had been sipping some white merlot, some "lemonade" and sneaking a few small deserts,,,,after a while I figurt Ide best test my blood, and to my amazement it was 96! Hmmmm I do need to do more research on "lemonade",,,, cheers Cheyenne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache Hawk 60642 Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 It was 5 yrs ago this spring that i found that I have trouble with sugar, i've never really been officially called diabetic because they only got that one high reading of 225 from me. Changed my diet trastically, found the right supplements and apple cider vinegar to manage without any meds. I never really knew which supplements work best but one thing I do know, if I don't take anything for a few days and don't drink my vinegar (2 tbls mixed in water) my numbers are 136 ish in the mornings, but if i do "right" and follow my regimine my numbers are 110 and less in the mornings. I also still watch what I eat with zeal... One side note, last fall at a memorial shoot for Ruthless McDraw i had been sipping some white merlot, some "lemonade" and sneaking a few small deserts,,,,after a while I figurt Ide best test my blood, and to my amazement it was 96! Hmmmm I do need to do more research on "lemonade",,,, cheers Cheyenne Cheyenne, I am offically diabetic type one, which means, my body IS NOT making any insulin at all ! and I am on the insulin pump. When the Sawbones said I was a diabetic, my blood sugar was 701 and was very close to blacking out. I was on the pulls for a while, and they did not work. So, the Sawbones put me on the pump ! Sometimes sweets will shoot my blood sugar sky high, other times it don't seem to matter. But I know when I drink, I must down my pump down to prevent it from giving me to much insluin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hey galloway Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Do you do the vinegar once a day or more. I have type 2 also and have been on the pill for 1 year my numbers are around 140 with or without the pill. I'm going to try the vinegar.My high was 161 Hey Galloway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 It was 5 yrs ago this spring that i found that I have trouble with sugar, i've never really been officially called diabetic because they only got that one high reading of 225 from me. Changed my diet trastically, found the right supplements and apple cider vinegar to manage without any meds. I never really knew which supplements work best but one thing I do know, if I don't take anything for a few days and don't drink my vinegar (2 tbls mixed in water) my numbers are 136 ish in the mornings, but if i do "right" and follow my regimine my numbers are 110 and less in the mornings. I also still watch what I eat with zeal... One side note, last fall at a memorial shoot for Ruthless McDraw i had been sipping some white merlot, some "lemonade" and sneaking a few small deserts,,,,after a while I figurt Ide best test my blood, and to my amazement it was 96! Hmmmm I do need to do more research on "lemonade",,,, cheers Cheyenne Cheyenne, would you PM me with a sample of your diet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasatch Lawman Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Culpepper, read this post yesterday. I am a Type II with very poorly controlled BSs. So after work, at midnight yesterday, I stopped off at Wally World and bought a gallon of apple cider vinager. I proceed home and grab a shot glass. Filled it up......and shot it <----- this is what I did for about five minutes Probably would have made a great YouTube video. Was more potent than any wiskey or moonshine I have ever tried. I think I will dilute it in water as you mentioned Wasatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 Galloway and Lawman,,,would have answered sooner but Ize been laffing at the idea of lawman downing a strate shot... I put it in a glass and dilute it with 8 oz or so of water. and I do it before every meal (when I remember) and even snacks. I also keep my carbs to 30 or less for a meal, unless they are carbs such as beans or those that are low on the glycemic index. No white stuff, ie breads, potatoes or rice. Sweet potatoes are a big YES, with butter and cinnamon. supplements,,chromium, cinnamon, lots of C, D3, b's, biotin, and aspirin of course. when I eat pasta, it is done el dante, still pretty hard,,,digests slower that way. no or very little bread. I eat low carb whole grain tortilla wraps instead of bread,,,,,for shoots I take a peanut butter wrap with a little nutella and maybe a banana with it...and protien bars... lots of water! meal protion is important too. if your hungry you don't have to eat if it isn't meal time.... for breakfast most days I have two eggs scrambled with a patty of sausage with about a cup of salsa, can't eat plain eggs anymore, just too bland... my favorite snack is cocoa roasted almonds that I get a Sams club...yum,,,, for Ice cream it's breyers low carb, the chocolate is rather good,,,,vanilla works to with cinnamon sprinkled on top.. Hope this helps,,,,, Cheyenne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 Consider this for a little push to eat rite,,,sugar in you blood is like shards of glass flowing thru your veins,,,tearing at your veins and organs as it flows....yuck! oh yea, I eat lots of meats too, especially venison,,,, I think the vinegar helps with chloresterol too, my numbers are excellent and they dint used to be. For chips, we buy the large boxes with the little bags, usually 17 carbs per bag,,,controls how much you eat better... lots of veggies too... hope this helps Noz Cheyenne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hey galloway Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Culpepper, read this post yesterday. I am a Type II with very poorly controlled BSs. So after work, at midnight yesterday, I stopped off at Wally World and bought a gallon of apple cider vinager. I proceed home and grab a shot glass. Filled it up......and shot it <----- this is what I did for about five minutes Probably would have made a great YouTube video. Was more potent than any wiskey or moonshine I have ever tried. I think I will dilute it in water as you mentioned Wasatch man i"m glad nobody could see me drink the first shot of that cider. I think it will take some getting used too Hey Galloway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 One side note, last fall at a memorial shoot for Ruthless McDraw i had been sipping some white merlot, some "lemonade" and sneaking a few small deserts,,,,after a while I figurt Ide best test my blood, and to my amazement it was 96! Hmmmm I do need to do more research on "lemonade",,,, cheers Cheyenne from http://diabetes.webmd.com/drinking-alcohol While moderate amounts of alcohol can cause blood sugar to rise, excess alcohol can actually decrease your blood sugar level -- sometimes causing it to drop into dangerous levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 from http://diabetes.webmd.com/drinking-alcohol While moderate amounts of alcohol can cause blood sugar to rise, excess alcohol can actually decrease your blood sugar level -- sometimes causing it to drop into dangerous levels. I obviously need to drink a lot more. Thanks, Cheyenne. Very difficult to get straight answers from anyone in the health care field. One says quit eating and the next says take a pill and forget about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted April 6, 2012 Author Share Posted April 6, 2012 I have one friend who went veggie and dropped a lot of wieght and his #s dropped to normal, but I don't think he stuck with it, so go with something that can be a lifestyle change... I don't like meds at all!! btw my dr loves me!! and I can understand him and even read his writing, most of tha time, tho Ize du nede tu larn him tu spell.... Cheyenne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Western medicine hates things like this, and are quickly labeled as nonsense. However, there ARE studies out there confirming what CC says. Here is one. If you can wade through the gobbledygook: Our study included nondiabetic subjects who were either insulin sensitive (control subjects, n = 8) or insulin resistant (n = 11) and 10 subjects with type 2 diabetes. Subjects provided written informed consent and were not taking diabetes medications. Fasting subjects were randomly assigned to consume the vinegar (20 g apple cider vinegar, 40 g water, and 1 tsp saccharine) or placebo drink and, after a 2-min delay, the test meal, which was composed of a white bagel, butter, and orange juice (87 g total carbohydrates). The cross-over trial was conducted 1 week later. Blood samples were collected at fasting and 30 and 60 min postmeal for glucose and insulin analyses. Whole-body insulin sensitivity during the 60-min postmeal interval was estimated using a composite score (2). Fasting glucose concentrations were elevated ∼55% in subjects with diabetes compared with the other subject groups (P < 0.01, Tukey’s post hoc test), and fasting insulin concentrations were elevated 95–115% in subjects with insulin resistance or type 2 diabetes compared with control subjects (P < 0.01). Compared with placebo, vinegar ingestion raised whole-body insulin sensitivity during the 60-min postmeal interval in insulin-resistant subjects (34%, P = 0.01, paired t test) and slightly improved this parameter in subjects with type 2 diabetes (19%, P = 0.07). Postprandial fluxes in insulin were significantly reduced by vinegar in control subjects, and postprandial fluxes in both glucose and insulin were significantly reduced in insulin-resistant subjects (Fig. 1). These data indicate that vinegar can significantly improve postprandial insulin sensitivity in insulin-resistant subjects. Acetic acid has been shown to suppress disaccharidase activity (3) and to raise glucose-6-phosphate concentrations in skeletal muscle (4); thus, vinegar may possess physiological effects similar to acarbose or metformin. Further investigations to examine the efficacy of vinegar as an antidiabetic therapy are warranted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 This is a subject dear to my heart as my maternal grandmother suffered from Type 2. In 1989 I met Dr. Loren Cordain. Dr. Cordain is a PHD in Exercise Physiology at Colorado State Univ in Ft Collins CO. A student of his heard a lecture that I gave on my own personal experience from eating a diet of 100% game meat in preparation for a bodybuilding show. My cholesterol dropped from 205 to 104 in 3 months with a perfect HDL/LDL balance. Since that time Dr. Cordain has written 10 books; been on most talk shows; written up in several mags and newspapers. His website is: http://thepaleodiet.com/ Go over to the newsletter section and scroll down to DIABETES to read some testimonials. You'll be amazed as I was at how much we modern humans are affected by consuming less and less of the foods we evolved eating. The best part is that so much of the damage is reversible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache Hawk 60642 Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Am I da only cowpoke wif type 1 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Am I da only cowpoke wif type 1 ? We don't like your type around these parts, pilgrim... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairshake Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Cheyenne, I was first told I was a borderline Diabetic in 1984 at MD Anderson Hospital. There is no such thing and it's like being being a little pregnant, you are or you are not. If I would have received the correct information then, I would not have the problems that occurred some 10 years later. My sugar went to 585 and I thought I would die before making it to a hospital. I will also tell anyone who has this terrible disease to see an endocrinologist and not just your family MD. I made this mistake and it cost me dearly. My doctor at first said I could get by fine with taking nothing but the pills he prescribed. The nurse who was a diabetic specialist told me on the side that I needed to be on insulin or my time would be short. I tool her advise and the doctor almost fell over when he saw what the other doctor was doing for me. He put me on insulin that day and most likely saved my life. Cheyenne, You did say one thing wrong and that was when you stated that sugar in your blood was like glass. That is not so as everyone has the food they eat turned into sugar by our bodies. That is what feeds our organs. A diabetic either has a body that makes no insulin(That is what the body uses for the process of making and controlling sugar) or they have built up a immune system that will not use the insulin their own body does produce. Type 2 may also make insulin but not enough so that's another reason for the need of injections. My A1C has been in the 6 range for over 5 years now and that I feel good about. There is also a rumor going around that a diabetic may not have any sugar and that is false. It all depends on what type of sugar it is and from what source it came from. I have a neighbor who will not listen to his doctors and continues to do as he pleases. His A1C is at 10.4 and I told him he could go into a coma or go blind or have kidney failure. He just started having eye problems and his doctor told him he has done quite a lot of kidney damage. He came over and told me he wished he had listened to me 7 years ago when I started getting on him for not doing the right things. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BEING ABLE TO FIX IT YOURSELF, GET HELP!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 Fairshake, I do see my Dr regularly and my iac is 6-7ish, i will not take meds until my #s deem it nessasary. I feel for others who rely on meds when diet was still working. The shards of glass analogy was told by a dr. Good luck to you on your journey. I realize journeys are different, I just hate to see folks go to meds and then eat poorly... cheyenne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 WooHoo. I tried the shot of vinegar also. Real thrill! Couldn't breath for about 20 seconds. I love cranberry juice. A couple of ounces of juice, an ounce of vinegar and 4 ounces of water and it tastes real good! Strangely enough, I have no desire for alcohol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairshake Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 CC, I have followed a very strict life style for many years. The food I eat and the amounts are less than my wife takes in. I don't think a person with even a 7 A1C should not be doing as much as they can to lower it. The doctor that almost killed me had the same idea as you about meds and told me I could get by with diet and exercise and that I did not need medications. Diabetes runs in my family on my mothers side and has killed two of my aunts and 4 of my cousins. When my sugar kept rising the doctor would tell me to do other things, none of which worked. That is when my sugar hit the high mark and I was taken to the ER. I was treated by the diabetes doctor and he gave me a huge shot of insulin and my sugar fell to normal after about 5 hours. Each and every person's body reacts differently to the pills and insulin injections. Because my doctor was afraid to have me take the insulin and had me brainwashed also it almost cost me my life. I wish that I had started taking insulin 10 years earlier than I did. Today's insulin is no longer made from pigs but a human like source. You are correct in saying that a diet will work, but it will not work for everyone who may also have an advanced case of diabetes. They have millions of people who are walking around with it right now and will not seek help until it's too late. There is nothing wrong with taking any medication that will keep you alive, as you listed chromium picolinate which is a OTC but does help some people with their readings.I take it every day.When I first started on it, my sugar came down over 75 points. The American Diabetes Association has now lowered the readings from 70-140 to 70-120 for being acceptable. Any reading over 180 will do kidney damage in some people and that can't be undone. The doctor may have used that example with you but all you have to do is look up some very simple information to see that all food is turned to sugar in our bodies which makes him not quite being correct in his choice of wording. Best of Luck in your fight with these terrible thing. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted April 10, 2012 Author Share Posted April 10, 2012 I've got to thank you guys that did a shot of vinegar straight, i chuckle every time I think about it,,,,, I did say to mix it with water, din't I??? Cranberry juice, hmmmm watch your #'s... Cheyenne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Old Man Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 My sugar is elevated, around 110-130 usually. I'm on meds and try to to watch the carbs. My A1C has been 5.9 for the last 3 years. I started the vinegar this week to see if it helps some, WITH H2O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted April 10, 2012 Share Posted April 10, 2012 My sugar is elevated, around 110-130 usually. I'm on meds and try to to watch the carbs. My A1C has been 5.9 for the last 3 years. I started the vinegar this week to see if it helps some, WITH H2O. Coward! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted April 11, 2012 Author Share Posted April 11, 2012 My sugar is elevated, around 110-130 usually. I'm on meds and try to to watch the carbs. My A1C has been 5.9 for the last 3 years. I started the vinegar this week to see if it helps some, WITH H2O. GOM, good tu heer frum ye!!! hope it helps, but be careful...watch yur #s Glad someone caught the water part Cheyenne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Old Man Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Coward! You bet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairshake Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 CC, I had my wife stop at the store and purchase the vinegar. I will try your posting out and see if it will enable me to stop taking any of the meds I now take. I will not however do straight shots as I'm not up to that level, I'll try the water mix. Noz, be careful with the cranberry juice. Maybe it will work in a glass of homemade lemonade so as to cover some of that flavor.Later David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hey galloway Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 nobody said any thing about [WATER] that was nasty stuff. i have give apple vingerer to my horses for years to help with the flies. i went out an apologies to them. wounder if will help me with the flies Hey Galloway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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