McCandless 1,872 Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 This ain't gonna change nuthin' or settle no arguments... just would like ta know fer sure, fer myself. Shooter shoots 9 pistol shots instead of the required 10. Holsters, moves on, finishes the stage. There's an empty under the hammer. Would you call a Miss or a Procedural or sumthin' else? Thanks! McC Link to post Share on other sites
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 956 Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Miss only. cc Link to post Share on other sites
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 1,408 Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Miss only. cc +1 Miss only. Randy Link to post Share on other sites
Anvil Al #59168 309 Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Miss only. cc Yep Link to post Share on other sites
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 1,296 Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 One Miss ..... Jabez Cowboy Link to post Share on other sites
Grizzly Dave 942 Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 OK - A miss only makes sense, there is no specific penalty for a live round left in a pistol as long as it isn't under the hammer. I like to skim thru the handbooks on questions like this, and came across the following - RO I page 25 Under Penalty Overview Procedural Penalties Any unintentional procedural errors caused by “brain fade,” confusion, ignorance, or mistakes (not to exceed one for any given stage). • Failure to attempt to fire a firearm. My question is, what the heck does that mean? What is an example of when a P would be called for that? Grizz, just thinkin and scratchin my bald head... Link to post Share on other sites
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 4,718 Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Inadvertently leaving unfired rounds in a revolver is a miss unless the round is under the hammer, then it is a Stage Disqualification. SHB pp.14 & 23 / RO1 p.16 / RO2 p.9 Link to post Share on other sites
Grizzly Dave 942 Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 PWB - What would an example be for a P for "• Failure to attempt to fire a firearm." Flat refusing to shoot the shotgun would seem more like a failure to engage SOG, so what is a failure to attempt to fire? Just tryin to understand here. Link to post Share on other sites
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 4,718 Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 PWB - What would an example be for a P for "• Failure to attempt to fire a firearm." Flat refusing to shoot the shotgun would seem more like a failure to engage SOG, so what is a failure to attempt to fire? Just tryin to understand here. Howdy GD, FWIW - This NOT a very common occurrence. Example for a R/P/P/SG stage sequence: Shooter has malfunction (base pin issue?) with first pistol. Situation is eventually remedied; shooter gets all five rounds to fire...moves on to SG. In the confusion, all parties on the line forget about the 2nd revolver. Five unfired rounds found in second revolver at ULT. Shooter gets a "P" for "failure to attempt to fire a firearm". Shooter also gets five misses for the unfired rounds. (btw - this is NOT a case of "A miss cannot cause a procedural"...it was the "P" that led to the assessment of misses) Link to post Share on other sites
Grizzly Dave 942 Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 ok, thanks Link to post Share on other sites
McCandless 1,872 Posted March 8, 2011 Author Share Posted March 8, 2011 Thank y'all, I feel better now knowin' that the correct call wuz made. my thanks, McC Link to post Share on other sites
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