zip wyatt, SASS #28494 Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Levallois/DSC01738.jpg It is H.E.R. and this is on an old Merwin Hulbert and I have a very vague recollection of seeing them before on another period gun. And I've already heard the jokes about there's probably a matching gun out there with H.I.S. on it and that it's probably another way to mark a "Ladysmith." Thanks! Zip
Texas Jim Henry, SASS #20616 Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Levallois/DSC01738.jpg It is H.E.R. and this is on an old Merwin Hulbert and I have a very vague recollection of seeing them before on another period gun. And I've already heard the jokes about there's probably a matching gun out there with H.I.S. on it and that it's probably another way to mark a "Ladysmith." Thanks! Zip Howdy, Zip - I know a picture doesn't always show the detail that personal observation does, but - to me - the leg of the R looks like a random scratch, leaving me to wonder if it's actually HEP? Regards, TJH
Doc Coles SASS 1188 Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 They are stamped, not engraved. You might do some looking into old time large collections, some collectors used to stamp all the guns in their collections. This can actually add to their value if the collector is well known as it ads provenance to the gun. However, this can also be faked.
DocDisaster # 45431 Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 it is stamped and not engraved as noted, it may also have been an old Police gun or something of that nature and been some sort of ordinance marking. Doc
zip wyatt, SASS #28494 Posted January 30, 2011 Author Posted January 30, 2011 Dang-it Texas Jim, if you ain't right about the "R" - it does look like it was more of a "P" with a random nick placed just right or wrong as the case may be. I looked at it again under a 10X loop and now I think it just might be a P. Thanks for the replies pards - stamped and not engraved - I'll have to shift my search in a new direction. Zip
Cope Daniels Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Levallois/DSC01738.jpg It is H.E.R. and this is on an old Merwin Hulbert and I have a very vague recollection of seeing them before on another period gun. And I've already heard the jokes about there's probably a matching gun out there with H.I.S. on it and that it's probably another way to mark a "Ladysmith." Thanks! Zip Just a THOUGHT Home Enforcement & Protection
GunClick Rick Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 Probably belonged to Sherrif Bart~ Hep me! Hep Me ! Oh lordy lord!!! "scuse me while i whip dis out!
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 Actually, I think it is a miss struck 'F'. Probably was Hugh's gun before the magazine days.
Manatee Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 I put it through Photoshop. It was chiseled, not stamped. The leg of the R is visible as a chisel mark in the P part of the R. The initials are H E R as far as I can tell.
zip wyatt, SASS #28494 Posted January 30, 2011 Author Posted January 30, 2011 Manatee, Thanks for the reply! Then how do you explain the entire left sides of the three letters being deep and the entire right sides of the letters being shallow? Wouldn't you expect more variability from chisel work? Zip
DocDisaster # 45431 Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 The height and width of the letters are exact, yet the left side is deep and the right side is not, I do not believe it was engraved, I believe it was stamped and the stamp was not held squarely. I did not photoshop it but if it were engraved there would be chatter marks from the chisel for one and I think it would have been a little bit more consistent.
zip wyatt, SASS #28494 Posted January 30, 2011 Author Posted January 30, 2011 Here's a slightly closer photo - about the best I can do with my limited camera technology. "P" or "R" ? Stamped or chiseled? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Levallois/DSC01751.jpg
DocDisaster # 45431 Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 If you look at it with your eye loop are their serations visible in the grooves? I do not think it is an R the leg looks to be a little to far forward. To really tell by a picture you would have to take it with a marco ro a very high resolution. When I tried to magnify the picture it became distorder to the point that I could not see any serations. Doc
Manatee Posted January 30, 2011 Posted January 30, 2011 I inverted it to a negative image and improved contrast. I can't be absolutely sure....but I'd give the R the benefit of the doubt.
zip wyatt, SASS #28494 Posted January 30, 2011 Author Posted January 30, 2011 There appear to be serations that run perpendicular to the grooves or from the surface down into the groove and look pretty regular. The grooves are V-shaped. Here's yet another try at a decent photo. I appreciate everybody helping me to figure this out. Zip http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Levallois/DSC01756.jpg
Smithy Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Having personally mis-stamped myself, It sure looks like as stated before, that the stamp was not held squarely and favored the left side on all three letters making the letters "H E R". Smithy.
Griff Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Having personally mis-stamped myself, It sure looks like as stated before, that the stamp was not held squarely and favored the left side on all three letters making the letters "H E R". Smithy. +1
MMJ#89586 Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Her, not stamped fully. That's what I would say.
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Sir Left favor on stamping , most likely done by a lefty , I tend to stamp that way if I get in a hurry . Ya , I am a southpaw. CB
Buckhorn Woodie Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 I found this http://www.adamsguns.com/2473.htm
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Y'all will for sure think I'm crazy but when I looked at it, it appears that it could be something in Greek or a 'brand' with the left and right figures being a horizontal 'T' and not vertical. Anyhow, that's what it looked like to me. Now, does anyone know Greek? ..........Widder
Buckhorn Woodie Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/Levallois/DSC01738.jpg It is H.E.R. and this is on an old Merwin Hulbert and I have a very vague recollection of seeing them before on another period gun. And I've already heard the jokes about there's probably a matching gun out there with H.I.S. on it and that it's probably another way to mark a "Ladysmith." Thanks! Zip I did a quick look around I found that Harold Eugene "Hal" Roach, Sr. (January 14, 1892 – November 2, 1992) film and television producer and director from the 1910s to the 1990s....When the Hal Roach Studios shut down the props were sold off...many of the props were marked HER
Big Jake1001 Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 Looks like ya got your self a Movie prop gun from the Hal Roach Studios. Now you get to watch all his Westerns and see your gun in action. Will add a lot of provenance to it if you ever want to sell it. Big Jake
zip wyatt, SASS #28494 Posted January 31, 2011 Author Posted January 31, 2011 Buckhorn Woody - WOW! Thanks a awful lot Pard! That was some fine bit of detecting work. Zip
Buckhorn Woodie Posted February 1, 2011 Posted February 1, 2011 Buckhorn Woody - WOW! Thanks a awful lot Pard! That was some fine bit of detecting work. Zip Your Welcome...I remember an old Laurel and Hardy movie ( Hal Roach was involved in most of there movies) were a bad guy was chasing them around and he had a gun of the type...I looked at a bunch of you tube's but I could not find it...I will turn the hunt over to you...there is bunches of Hal Roach stuff on you tube...you may find your gun in one of them.. Woodie
zip wyatt, SASS #28494 Posted February 1, 2011 Author Posted February 1, 2011 Yes, I guess I'll have to take a look at "Way Out West" with Laurel & Hardy or "An Eastern Westerner" with Harold Lloyd.
Yul Catchum Posted February 5, 2011 Posted February 5, 2011 Last time I was in New Mexico buying the third of my autographed Billy the Kid Webley six guns the gunsmith tried to interest me in this piece. I would have jumped on it but he wanted more than i could swing,after all I had to pay for my UFO parts in Roswell. Anyway, the pistol belonged to Hyatt E Purp, a little known lawman in Headstone, AZ until he and his step-sisters got into a shootout in the OT feedlot next to an engravers studio with a local bunch of hustlers often called the Cowsills. The Purps put paid to those soulful sagebrush troubadors.
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