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Everything posted by Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933
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If you were putting 7/8 oz in the Red wad, which is designed for 1 1/4 oz loads, it might make a difference. On 7/8 oz loads the plastic pedals bend a bit but is not noticeable in the finished crimp. 7/8 oz of #8 in the white wad. 1 1/8 oz actually goes over the top of the fingers a bit.
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I never use filler in a shotgun shell. It is an added step I do not want to waste my time on. With BP I adjust the stack height by adjusting the powder charge. The ones I just loaded are for an original 1887 so I was using Winchester AA hulls as they are a little shorter than a Remington STS and tend to eject better. The Winchester's also have a little less internal capacity than an STS. So basically the load is AA hull, white wad, 7/8 oz shot, about 35 grains BP. The Winchester Red wads were used in the old days when we thought you had to have 80 grains of BP in your shell or you were not a real BP shooter. Those days, like my youth, are long gone. My smokeless loads for the 87 are a Winchester AA hull, grey wad, 7/8 oz of shot and 12 grains of Clays. All my trap and sporting clays loads are in Remington STS green hulls so I can easily tell the light loads from the heavies and do not accidently put a hot load in the 87.
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One of the issues with BP is that it is bulky and you typically use more than a smokeless load. The oz capacity of the wad listed on the bag is irrelevant for BP. The oz weight when using smokeless is primarily to help adjust stack height so you get a good crimp. Even with smokeless the suggested oz weight is just that depending on what powder you are using. If you use a 3/4 or 7/8 oz recommended wad you cannot get enough BP in the case to make a decent load and will have a crappy crimp. Generally the higher the recommended oz the shorter the crush section on the wad. In the photo left to right are (these are all Winchester "type" wads) a 3/4 oz (pink), 7/8 oz (grey), 1 ounce (light pink), 1 1/8 oz (white) and an old Winchester Red wad that was the standard for BP for a lot of years. Look at the green arrows. From there down is the important dimension for BP. I just loaded my ammo for the Western Regional and used the Winchester White wad with 7/8 oz of shot. For years I used the Winchester Western Orange wad. Some exact wad except for the color.
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Visitors——-Update Happy Ending
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 replied to Yul Lose's topic in SASS Wire Saloon
If a woman is dressed in black around my house it means I am dead and I do not care if she gets some dog hair on her. -
Horror Stories at RO1 Class
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 replied to Cholla's topic in SASS Wire
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Trailer Tires
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 replied to Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life's topic in SASS Wire Saloon
My shooting buddy "thought" that and had five flats on our drive to EOT a few years ago. Tires looked like new. -
Justified
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 replied to Tex Jones, SASS 2263's topic in SASS Wire Saloon
The same ones rewriting Snow White for Disney. -
Visitors——-Update Happy Ending
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 replied to Yul Lose's topic in SASS Wire Saloon
Nice looking pups. -
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A lot of these people on TV and in real life have also never discovered a comb either. I saw a segment on the news a few days ago where businesses are hiring protocol and appearance officers. Seems starting with dress down Friday, then the current generation and covid and people are showing up to work dressing and acting and talking like bums. Companies are realizing customer's want service and some degree of decorum when the visit their businesses.
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When the 97 came out smokeless was still a rarity. Millions of BP rounds have been fired from them. BP loadings were cheaper and quite common up to the 1930s. Try it and see. If you find cleaning to be a problem stop.
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Lee .44-40 Die Question
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 replied to Buckshot Bear's topic in SASS Wire
Just make sure it is oriented correctly. Above the equator the hole should be facing forward. Below the equator it should be facing backwards. -
Hogdon Universal in 12 gauge
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 replied to Hoss's topic in SASS Wire
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Schofields. Are they for fast guys
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 replied to dokdoc #61722's topic in SASS Wire
If they were competitve more shooters might be using them. The Schofields have one design quirk that a lot of shooters cannot deal with. On a Colt and it's clones the cylinder locking bolt is operated by the hammer. On the Schofield the cylinder locking bolt is operated by the trigger. On a Colt if you are touching or even fully depressing the trigger you can cock the hammer. On a Schofield if you are touching the trigger you cannot cock the hammer. This slows a lot of people down, some quite a lot. If you shoot gunfighter I would not waste the money a pair of Schofields cost until you have had a chance to try them out or are 150% sure that when you cock your guns your fingers are clear of the triggers. -
Photos? Are you sure the RCBS die is not for .40-60? Is your Jamison brass headstamped .45-60 or is it some of their "basic" brass? The only problem I had when making .45-60 from .45-70 for an original 76 was that the .45-60 had a thinner rim. On some batches of .45-70 they were hard to close until I thinned rims of the shortened brass to a head thickness of .060". I later acquired some correct Jamison brass. The .45-70 rim is nominally .065" thick.
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Tombstone Redemption 2023
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 replied to Misty Moonshine's topic in SASS Wire
Photos yet? -
Horror Stories at RO1 Class
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 replied to Cholla's topic in SASS Wire
The problem with all human activity is that there are humans involved.- 94 replies
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No such thing as a 61 squareback.
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SS Ruger Single Six grip frame question
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 replied to Captain Bill Burt's topic in SASS Wire
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Cold, i.e., anything under 70.