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If you insist on adding red herrings and additional instructions/ conditions to the question; you may eventually get the answer you're looking for. In the absence of any additional instruction (such as any SG target order, move to a different position, use rifle between two separated SG strings, etc.). All of which the OP did not mention in their question. Then the "mantra" of X shots fired - X targets down - Next shooter is always going to be correct. It is an objective observation of results - not a subjective interpretation of intent.

Was answered a LONG time ago. Folks just dont like the answer because they wish to penalize the shooter for events outside their control. In the absence of a target order. 6 targets down - 6 shots expended - Next shooter.

Have you ever thought it would be helpful if everyone shooting a match experienced the posse marshall walk through? Here's your chance! There are two videos that cover each day of your 2021 SASS Southeast Regional: Ambush at Cavern Cove. Each video has a link in the description to the other. Stages 1-5 Stages 6-10

@Buck D. Law, SASS #62183 and @Barkeep Casey is this the info you're looking for that Jack made for y'all? He's been at work since it was dark outside, so I don't have access to the file itself. However, this is a photo of the printouts he was asked to hang up on Thursday. If it's the wrong thing, I'll delete.

If I got down to pick up brass someone would have to help me up! Randy

We cannot complain about the size of the rulebook and then demand a codification/ example of every possible outcome. The rules sometimes must be discerned by a combination of factors - but this discernment does not make them any less a rule. So we use the following to arrive at a conclusion. (And I am paraphrasing because I don't care enough to find the citations). 1. Once the stage begins - we do not stop shooters unless it is required for safety. So a shooter owns and must be allowed to complete their stage. 2. A target malfunction that is not a safety concern (and any target falling for reason other than gunshot, is by definition a malfunction) does not warrant a stopppage and the shooter will be instructed to continue with the stage as if the target remains and shoot where it was. 3. Because a downed target may present unforeseen angles and splashback - a shooter is instructed to NEVER shoot at a downed target. 4. An engagement of a downed/ missing/ broken target by shooting "where it was" is scored as a hit (benefit of a doubt always goes to the shooter). 5. Shooters are expected to comply with the round requirements as noted in stage instruction. The above expectations/ rules combined with the miss flow chart give us a clear answer and support that the RULING of six shots - six targets down is correct. A falling SG target or a broken bird (that occurs by any event other than gunshot) is a target failure/ malfunction. The shooter complied with all requirements of the stage. Shot the required number of rounds to satify the stage instruction. Safely engaged the malfunction by shooting downrange and NOT at the downed target. 6 shots fired - 6 targets down. You cannot penalize a shooter for something out of the shooters control. And the most important rule application of all in this scenario is "Don't be a hardass".

Just thought I'd explain how hard it is.. I'm involved with a new club that is trying to set up a range on one of our members property [ 5,000 acres ] It is only a small portion of land that will shoot up to 200 yards...with capacity to go out to 600. Firstly you have to register the club with what we call 'Office of Fair Trading'..that's a couple of hundred bucks, we now have our Incorporated name. $9,000 to have a caliber sound test assessment, basically who can hear what & from where [ from .22 up to .308 .303 etc ] Now we are engaging an ecologist to do a survey in regard to Koala habitat, trees etc...the quote is $7,700. These things HAVE' to be done & submitted to the governing Council [County ] with a fee of $4,000 & is non refundable even if the application is unsuccessful...a consultant 'MUST be employed to cross the T's & dot the I's, that's another approx $ 3,000. If the council approves then you move onto establishing the range which in short terms means dealing with the state Weapons Licensing Branch ' which handles all matters dealing with ranges as well as licensing shooters. Not sure of the cost but somewhere around $500..then there is periodical renewals & inspections. All this before any soil is turned, luckily the land owner has a bulldozer so mounds / berms etc can be pushed up. We are getting there & we are confident of a positive outcome, the paper trail & requirements is very daunting but we will persist. We will list as many disciplines as possible to shoot on the range, clays, long range, pistol, black canons, everything that is available will be applied for. Luckily we are affilliated with a wonderful shooting organisation that has helped us financially as well as some local gun shops, so the financial burden has been eased a little. There is still a bit to do but we hope to have our application in just after Xmas..at present we just have the 12 founding members & once Council hopefully gives us the go ahead we will start to open up the books for new members. I hope you never have to experience this in the USA, not only do you have to have a gun license..it just goes on & on..safe & gun inspections, permits to buy a gun [ my state is & $43 ],sign on at ranges, 5 year license is about $ 280 for longarm & pistol, the list is endless..if I spent the time to write them all down it would make you sick.!!!! The one good point is the authorities don't like that more & more people are jumping the hoops & applying for a license. Aus has a population around 26 million & it's somewhere near 2 million that have a gun license. I've taken on the Clubs Treasurer position & will look after the Cowboy section along with some others namely..Jackaroo, Kathouse Kelli. Bordello Baz, Excited, Deadly Downunder to name just a few.. The club will still be in existence even without a range..that's why Council approval is so important, we have support from the local police who need a training range & a lot of shooters in the area so it's fingers crossed !!

Linn Kellers post makes me even more proud of my grandson. He has put away his childhood, given up a fairly lucrative job as a lube center manager, and is going to college to become an EMT. When he's finished with that schooling he has a pretty good chance of going to work for the Las Vegas Fire Department Academy and a year or more OJT, then more tech training to become a full-fledged Paramedic. He's very enthusiastic about this and so far has good grades. I truly pray that someday someone will give him the compliments that Linn gave his ambulance support team. And, Linn, please tell them how appreciative you are. They deserve it.

Geezis Krist...

Posing an ALPO type question.

Just because someone is a member of the ROC, that doesn’t automatically make them right, nor does it mean that they are infallible!!

I remember one where she disappointedly looked at him sideways and said "Do you have to do everything faster than a speeding bullet?"

Okay, so it wasn't the final update, sorry about that! This, however, should be! *(ahem)* Hello again, and briefly (try not to laugh, the thought of me and brief in the same sentence generally elicits derisive laughter) (now where was I?) (oh look, a squirrel!) Oh yeah. Good news for a change! My beautiful bride used FMLA and therefore would normally have to go to Akron to present herself to Human Resources in order to get her back to work authorization. A year ago, thanks to that rascally Chinese disease, they went to Face Time interviews. Now it's a simple phone call. She returns to work tomorrow and she's delighted! (I am too. I was looking in the Yellow Pages for Avis Rent-a-Tank ... my wife, driving her pretty purple Dodge Charger into Akron, would be like Obi-Wan muttering as he looked over the Mos Eisley spaceport: a wretched hub of scum and villainy!) Linn the Rejoicing at this Very Anticipated Step! FINAL UPDATE, THIS IS FROM FIRECRACKER MEL, SASS 27332, alias my beautiful bride: "Tell everyone in the Saloon thank you for all their prayers. I am doing much better. Last night I received a card from work, everyone from housekeeping through ER and floor nurses, my fellow rad-techs and Ultrasound all signed it. There are so many people who talked to God about me and I want to thank everyone for their bent knees!" Thus endeth my wife's missive: the following is mine: (Let me nutshell a lengthy and clinical discussion) She's stronger and doing better in all ways. My thanks, my friends: you've borne up most patiently with my distress, and I thank one and all for your several bent knees on my wife's behalf, and mine: special thanks to those who offered wise counsel. Linn Update ends, the following is the original post I've done many things in my young life, most of them overlapping, running simultaneously: Appalachian Ohio has not the tax base to pay for all the social services that are taken for granted here in the Glaciated Yankee Flat Lands, and the responsible citizen must wear several hats. I did. One in which I delighted, was the blue shirt of a working medic. Okay, a blue shirt isn't a hat, but you get the idea. I did my level best to deliver the highest quality of care for every last one of my patients. Cast your bread upon the waters, we read in Scripture, and in the vulgar, "What goes around comes around." It came around last night. My wife is being admitted into ICU with multiple pulmonary emboli. She hit the floor at 3 AM, and when the squad arrived to transport to ER, I am most pleased to report those fine young men exhibit every bit of care, compassion and understanding -- and excellent medical care -- that I did my best to give. Thanks to current restrictions, she'll be allowed one visitor a day, family is far flung and not likely to struggle this far north: I'll keep them updated. If the Prayer Posse would be so kind, I would be very much obliged for a bent knee on my bride's behalf. End of this month will be a quarter of a century as a married couple, and we're still just as happy as if we had good sense. I hope to arrive at that delightful anniversary, still holding hands. UPDATE AS OF TUESDAY 19th -- They ran a cath on her lung, kind of like a heart cath only they made a left at Albequiquie (to quote a certain cartoon rabbit), went into the pulmonary circulation and removed the clots. One lung's circulation was completely blocked. Melissa described her relief as immediate. Did not find out until today -- while I sat in ICU, holding her hand and listening -- they nearly lost her enroute. Good people, well trained, and my bride yet lives. Pards, turn to your beloved, give 'em a hug, tell them they're loved. I learned the hard way, you might not get another chance. I will have that chance again, by the grace of God alone, a lesson I do not intend to ignore! UPDATE II: Tuesday afternoon I am so tired I am shaking. I also benefit from the sound advice of those who have trod this path -- both as patient, and as spouse: my thanks for wise counsel! Melissa is being weaned down on her oxygen: with two lungs working now instead of one, her sats are good, if they can get her down to room air with acceptable sats, they'll freight her to a med-surg floor and out of the Unit. She has a spectacular collection of bruises from where she passed out and hit the floor at home, which is when this adventure started, and the anticoagulants aren't helping the general appearance of having been hit by a truck (face plant on the laminate does no one any good, nor the points of both elbows, nor both kneecaps, ouch!) After the ICU nurses came in to find I'd already given Melissa her bed bath, changed linens and tended the necessaries I felt safe in handling, they told me to report to the main desk and they'd put me to work. We also traded nurse jokes and they were greatly amused when I told them that, as nurses "back when", we had to carve the ear tips for our stethoscopes out of horn or bone, the bell was flint with animal skin stretched tight across, and we used hollow reeds for the tubing. No word of installing a Greenfield filter to catch any more -- there are known clots in both lower calves, she remains on anticoagulant -- she Face Timed her father this morning, and her sister early this afternoon. I'm sorry. I'm so tired I fell asleep on that last line, had to edit out a long line of kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk's. Time for a nap.

Wishing you all the best in your endeavors. At the present time there are many articles being written about how Australia should be considered a wake up call to those of us in the States. Every time I see an article, thread or email regarding those down under, I begin to understand a bit more how valuable our second amendment is and how it must be defended vigorously. All of the Aussie's (and Kiwi's as well) that I have met have had an amazingly persistent focus on those things they wish to work for. Certain that you and your council will be the same. Again good luck Gateway Kid

I shot cross draw duelist for almost 20 years, I had tried a couple times half heartedly to do double duelist. Finally I decided it was worth the work and started Double Duelist only. It was tough and I found myself shooting the stage based on shooting the closer targets with my weak hand but I was determined to make it work. It took 2 years to get to the point that I am completely confident with both hands. I am not as fast with my weak hand but I am almost as fast and the pistol to pistol transition is at least a second faster, not to mention that transitions are faster to other guns as well. That said, if your hand doesnt allow you to do it it may not be worth the effort. As mentioned there are a lot of fast cross draw duelist. What ever works for you is the answer. Good Luck, Chili

I found this very useful phrase. Two words. Seven letters. First one starts with a f and the second one starts with a y. I'll be in a store asking about clips for my 1911 and someone informs me that they are not clips they are magazines. I look over at him. PHRASE I say that my favorite pistol is probably my python, and someone tells me that the python is not a pistol it is a revolver. PHRASE I'm thinking about getting a silencer for one of my 45s, and someone tells me that it is not a silencer it is a suppressor. PHRASE I mentioned that I need to get the oil changed in my truck, and someone tells me that a Bronco is not a truck it is a sport utility vehicle. PHRASE It is a extremely useful phrase.

I may have mentioned this before, but when I was working behind the gun counter, I was talking to an older gentleman with a veteran hat on. He consistently referred to clips for pistols. Some tacticool jerk finally rudely interrupted and said "they're not clips, they're magazines." Clearly embarrassed the older gentleman, and annoyed me. I asked the jerk what he puts in his magazines to shoot and he said "bullets." I point blank said, "No, you put cartridges in. Check any box of ammo on the shelf, and it'll tell you how many cartridges are in it. Don't be pedantic." I doubt he knew what pedantic meant, and I fully expected a complaint, but he just turned red and wandered down the counter, while I helped the old guy. Yeah, it seemed his mood improved.

Trying to figure if you have just a mixture of two versions of Clays, and not anything else in there, would be a Fools Errand. Hodgdons, I am willing to bet, will not extend their blessing to such a thing. Don't risk damaging a gun over a mistake by another shooter that costs you maybe $10 to throw out. Maybe you have figured out what happened. Maybe you haven't. good luck, GJ PS - I had two bottles of powder on a loading bench just a few weeks ago. Poured half a coffee cup of one powder, after scooping 10 accuracy test loads out of it, back into the closest container, when I realized that was the wrong one of the two. That third of a pound in the contaminated bottle was PROMPTLY poured out on the lawn. Where a mixed powder will do me no harm. No more multiple bottles on the bench. Even if I am making 10 types of test loads.

I know some people that have struggled with the idea that, in the published shooter's choice scenario, ejecting around is considered engaging a target. And then, to say in the same breath, that expending a round down range somehow does not count as engaging a shotgun target. SHB pg 15

Before I retired I was a hazard control specialist at a government national lab. If you had come to me asking to use this propellant I would have forbid it’s use since it lacks a quality pedigree and appears adulterated. Propellants suitable for CAS are still available. Consider this jug unsuitable for reloading.

Sad commentary on America today.

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I would say if you only want PWBs response and nobody else then email him instead of posting a wtc. I'd also recommend saying exactly what you want the answer to and the full instructions with the INITIAL inquiry.

I don't see how anyone could say "one more" in that case without trying to guess what you were shooting at. I'll say this though...you can't really just use the phrase "4 shots, 4 targets down". It depends on the scenario and instructions. There can't be a blanket call for the OP question.

“clip-mag”? maybe you meant; Magazine Clip?

I'm not one to take chances with unknowns and reloading. Get a new container of powder and 86 the iffy one. Don't just throw the powder on the lawn though. Use it as an fire ant killer. Stir the mound up until they are real pissed off, pour about a 1/4lb on them and light 'em up. No more fire ants and you still have some fire ant killer left. PS - the grass will grow back.