sassnetguy50 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Found this Smith & Wesson 38 Military & Police Model of 1905 38 Special revolver while researching S&W 38 models. The ad stated “The cylinder and barrel show signs of bluing contamination.” It looks someone took the frame and ejector rod from one gun then added the barrel, crane and cylinder from another one. Have you seen this before? Is it common in certain environments or different older steels or blueing methods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 To my untrained eye it looks like someone did some spot rust removal and then touched it up with cold blue chemicals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 I agree with Subdeacon Joe; although it might be a "naturally acquired" patina. If the price is appealing (low), I would still consider purchasing it. Everyone should have a beater that they can take to the range and not worry about dings. edit: If you are worried about a "Frankengun", assembled from parts , you can check if the serial numbers match. Look for them on the bottom of the grip frame, on the back of the cylinder (around the rim, outside the chamber openings), and on the barrel flat just above the ejector rod (you can see them but not read them in the last photo). Before 1957 when S&W began using numerical model numbers, the serial number was not found on the frame under the yoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Sorry to disagree, but the numbers found on older S&Ws used assembly numbers on the frame crane area, cylinder rear, these have nothing to do with the model or serial number. Once the gun was assembled, they were no longer important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 10 minutes ago, DeaconKC said: Sorry to disagree, but the numbers found on older S&Ws used assembly numbers on the frame crane area, cylinder rear, these have nothing to do with the model or serial number. Once the gun was assembled, they were no longer important. I said the serial number was NOT found on the frame under the yoke before 1957. Is there still disagreement? I have several pre- 1957 S & Ws with matching serial numbers in the three locations I described: grip frame, barrel flat, cylinder face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Okay, I mis-read! Yeesh, it's only the first time I've been wrong in the last.....oh.....3 minutes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 I have seen blued guns with that purple patina. I have no idea what causes it. My S&W 442-1 has a purple patina in certain light, but only the barrel and cylinder. It is definitely not as pronounced as the revolver in the post @sassnetguy50posted. I actually rather like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 No, I’m not buying it nor do I think it is a frankengun. That example was to point out the contrast in color. I’m genuinely curious about how the blueing changed so dramatically. Pat, agreed, the purple bluing on old shotguns looks great in the sun against the green skeet field. The brown/orange mixed in this one looks like a case color gone wrong, covered by purple blueing, not for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Looking at it on my desktop computer rather than on my phone, possibly a reblue job with improper prep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 9 hours ago, DeaconKC said: Okay, I mis-read! Yeesh, it's only the first time I've been wrong in the last.....oh.....3 minutes.... We’ll verify that with your wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 9 hours ago, sassnetguy50 said: No, I’m not buying it nor do I think it is a frankengun. That example was to point out the contrast in color. I’m genuinely curious about how the blueing changed so dramatically. Pat, agreed, the purple bluing on old shotguns looks great in the sun against the green skeet field. The brown/orange mixed in this one looks like a case color gone wrong, covered by purple blueing, not for me. Where is it for sale? I am curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Pat Riot said: Where is it for sale? I am curious. https://www.hyattgunstore.com/smith-wesson-38-military-police-model-of-1905-38-special-revolver-used-in-good-condition-p-1354880.html?page=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 My original pair of Remington revolver replicas were reblued a number of years ago by a really good gunsmith. I asked for something unique and he came up with that same “purplish” color. I love it!! Those two are just about ready for another freshening up and I want to have them redone in that same finish. I asked if he could do it again and he reassured me that he could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted December 30, 2023 Author Share Posted December 30, 2023 Stumbled upon this GB listing, it looks well done. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1025581862 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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