Rufus Cogburn Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 BNIB, never fired. This is not your ordinary ‘51 conversion. First, it’s in Charcoal Blue. Next, it is stamped 1872 on the barrel but it’s not an Open Top. The rear sight is a notch in the hammer. Third, the box says box label says ‘51 R-Mason. At any rate, the Charcoal Blue and color case hardened frame make this a very pretty pistol. $500 (It retailed at $649.99). NOW $450.00 Contact Rufus at: rg@rufuscogburn.us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LQ Jones Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Any trade interests? LQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus Cogburn Posted July 7, 2019 Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 Maybe, what ya got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waimea Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Only asking because I don't know, Rufus. You said it's not an Open Top. Why? Looking to get an education. Waimea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus Cogburn Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Waimea said: Only asking because I don't know, Rufus. You said it's not an Open Top. Why? Looking to get an education. Waimea Waimea. Unless I’m misinformed, in order to be an Open Top, the rear sights must be above the forcing cone of the barrel, just ahead on the cylinder. The rear sights on this pistol is a groove cut into the hammer as with all Colt percussion revolvers. Also, the frame of the Open Top doesn’t have filler piece with the loading gate that takes up the space where the percussion nipples where cut off of the cylinder. The cylinder of the Open Top is longer and the frame has the loading gate incorporated into the blast shield. Check the distance from the bolt stop to the rear of the cylinder on each model. The Open Top is the top image, my pistol is the bottom image. Hope this helps. I may be wrong, but, you’ll never convince me of that. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stopsign32v Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 The design is still an open top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burlesonbill Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Gentlemen: If I can impose for a moment in an effort to "clear the air" over naming and design. Significant Colt Revolvers from 1836 to 1873: 1836 - Colt Paterson Revolver - .36 caliber 1847 to 1849 - Various pocket-sized Colt revolvers (Baby Dragoon, Wells Fargo, etc.) - .31 caliber 1847 to 1860 - Large frame "horse pistols", or "Dragoons" intended for use by U.S. Cavalry, the Whitneyville-Hartford (Walker) followed by three different slightly- improved models, the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Model Dragoons - all .44 caliber 1851 - Colt Navy Revolver - .36 caliber 1860 - Colt Army Revolver - .44 caliber 1861 - Colt New Navy Revolver - .36 caliber 1862 - Colt Pocket Police - .31 caliber All of the above were designed with an "open top" over the cylinder. When converted (and they all have been at one point or another) for cartridges they were called by their original model name or date, usually (but not always) followed by the relevant conversion patents names, as in Richards-Mason. Following the U.S. Civil War Colt had a couple of years worth of parts with very few new sales. a decision was made to use as many pre-made parts as possible to make their own "conversions while they designed a completely new cartridge revolver. These changes begat the following: 1871 to 1872 - Colt's Open Top Revolver - .44 Henry rimfire cartridge 1873 - Colt's Single Action Army Pistol - offered in 9 different factory calibers with other calibers available as special orders. I hope this helps clear up the confusion about names, nicknames and models. Burlesonbill, keeping the plains of Texas clear of roaming Comanche and Kiowa for 67 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus Cogburn Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 Thank you Burleson Bill. The Conversion came FIRST. The open top came AFTER Colt converted all the 1851s they had left over from the Civil War and before the design for the 1873 Single Action Army. Also, all the Open Tops shown on Uberti’s website and Taylor’s website show all of the 1871 and 1872 models with round barrels only. My Conversion has an octagon barrel. (And, yes, I know Taylor’s are made by Uberti) Now, general discussions about conversions vs open tops belong the the Wire forum. This forum is for sales and, yes, this one is still for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waimea Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Thanks, Rufus. Hope you sell this fine firearm soon. I have two and they are awesome. Waimea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 This is a pair of Uberti ( Colt ) 1871-72 Open Top 44 Specials . With a Uberti 1866 ( Winchester 1866 ) in 44 Special . Just Sayin . Rooster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus Cogburn Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 23 minutes ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said: This is a pair of Uberti ( Colt ) 1871-72 Open Top 44 Specials . With a Uberti 1866 ( Winchester 1866 ) in 44 Special . Just Sayin . Rooster You’re exactly right!! I can see the rear sights on the barrel. Just sayin’. Rufus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Bob Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Very nice! I didn’t realize there were any repro’s out there in this configuration. I was just reading about the ‘71-‘72 open tops. According to the article that I read, during the first few months of manufacture, these were made with the sight on the hammer just like the previous cap and ball models but was soon changed to a frame mounted sight channel. I just found a good video of Mike Bellevue where he compares the uberti 1860, Cimarron ASM 1st gen conversion and the Uberti 2 model Richards conversion. If the details he spells out about these guns is true to history, then it pretty much contradicts the info I read in the article. Either way, that is a great pistol. Wish I had the extra funds. Hope it moves quick for ya -Idaho Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Bob Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 And my apologies Rufus. I just read your comment about wanting to keep the discussions elsewhere. I’ve always been good at making myself look like the south end of a northbound mule! -Idaho Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus Cogburn Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 No prob, Bob. At least my ad is getting traffic. Ive attached the label on the box so y’all can see what Cimarron calls this thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Two of my 4 Cimarron '51 conversions are charcoal blue, and I absolutely love the finish. Some folks say charcoal blue wears too quickly, but mine have seen moderate use (3000 rounds or so each) for 15 years and the blue is still in good shape with only moderate wear. The grips are where charcoal blue wears the fastest, but these conversions have brass gripframes, so no problemo there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus Cogburn Posted July 10, 2019 Author Share Posted July 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: Two of my 4 Cimarron '51 conversions are charcoal blue, and I absolutely love the finish. Some folks say charcoal blue wears too quickly, but mine have seen moderate use (3000 rounds or so each) for 15 years and the blue is still in good shape with only moderate wear. The grips are where charcoal blue wears the fastest, but these conversions have brass gripframes, so no problemo there! Yep, that Charcoal Blue just sets off the color case hardening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dusty Morningwood Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 On 7/8/2019 at 7:23 PM, Rooster Ron Wayne said: This is a pair of Uberti ( Colt ) 1871-72 Open Top 44 Specials . With a Uberti 1866 ( Winchester 1866 ) in 44 Special . Just Sayin . Rooster I have the same setup, but the 66 was modified so I could shoot .44 Russian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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