Mudflat Mike, SASS #20904 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Can a non FFL ship a long gun to a FFL in Calif. without the CA, DOJ permit? None of my dealers here will ship to Ca. Found the answer, yes, a person can do that! You just need to find a FFL in Ca. that knows how to read, and is willing to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiowa Kid, SASS #69870L Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Can a non FFL ship a long gun to a FFL in Calif. without the CA, DOJ permit? None of my dealers here will ship to Ca. ! Howdy, I do believe you can, as long as the FFL will accept from a non FFL person that may be speed bump. KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quick Draw Granpaw #48525 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Can a non FFL ship a long gun to a FFL in Calif. without the CA, DOJ permit? None of my dealers here will ship to Ca. ! People hear California and Guns used in the same sentence and they panic! A NON-FFL from out of California canship to a licensed FFL dealer in California, but the Dealer here in California must agree to accept guns from private parties.... Hope this helps QDG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 (sets ammo can down on Speakers Corner, steps up on it) When those of us in CA wax wroth with those out of state for making jokes about or bad mouthing CA it is to try to cut down on this kind of bovine excrement. Every bad joke, every bit of mis-information, every LIE that gets spread about CA gun laws and how hard it is to get guns into CA WILL end up being believed as Gospel by someone. The result? People who should know better doing EXACTLY what the antis want - refusing to sell/ship guns to CA. So, to those of you who get your jollies bashing CA for its gun laws: "Well done, people, well done." (steps down off of ammo can, picks it up and walks away, muttering to himself) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudflat Mike, SASS #20904 Posted May 18, 2011 Author Share Posted May 18, 2011 I'm not Calif. bashing, read my post. I just deleted the rest of this response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof. Fuller Bullspit Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Can a non FFL ship a long gun to a FFL in Calif. without the CA, DOJ permit? None of my dealers here will ship to Ca. ! The answer is YES! From the Attorney Generals FAQ: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcfaqs.php#2 2. I am not an FFL but I want to ship a firearm to a California FFL. Do I have to obtain a Firearms Shipment Approval number before shipping a firearm to California? No. The requirement to obtain a Firearms Shipment Approval number only applies to holders of valid FFLs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I'm not Calif. bashing, read my post before you go off 1/2 cocked! I asked a simple question, and don't need an answer that has nothing to do with the subject. Take yer meds and calm down. Mike, I wasn't spouting of at you, but rather at your situation and what likely gave rise to it. Your question was quite reasonable. The FFLs in your area, from what you said, won't ship to CA. Why won't they? Dollars to doughnuts that it is because of misinformation spread by people making jokes about CA gun laws. Basically, I was saying that you have the CA bashers to thank for your local FFLs not wanting to ship to CA. Sorry if I wasn't clear before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudflat Mike, SASS #20904 Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 I just got off the phone with a FFL in the LA area. He told me "It's not possible for a non FFL to send a modern gun into California without using a FFL on their end" Sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about! Anybody recommend a dealer in the LA area that will receive from a non FFL ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shoer 27979 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 there is a guy here on the wire that is in Semi Vally (close enough for LA)has a gun shop Don't remember his full name off hand or his shop goes by Irish Red something, I will try to remember his name I am just drawing a blank at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 there is a guy here on the wire that is in Semi Vally (close enough for LA)has a gun shop Don't remember his full name off hand or his shop goes by Irish Red something, I will try to remember his name I am just drawing a blank at the moment You thinking of Irish Red O'Toole? http://sassnet.com/forums/index.php?showuser=12528 Right handsome devil, he is. ADDED: It really sucks big brown horse apples when our own people don't know the laws here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Shoer 27979 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 You thinking of Irish Red O'Toole? http://sassnet.com/forums/index.php?showuser=12528 Right handsome devil, he is. ADDED: It really sucks big brown horse apples when our own people don't know the laws here. That's the Gentleman his shop is Fort Courage Armory he is listed in the SASS merchants give him a call he will take care of you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 (sets ammo can down on Speakers Corner, steps up on it) When those of us in CA wax wroth with those out of state for making jokes about or bad mouthing CA it is to try to cut down on this kind of bovine excrement. Every bad joke, every bit of mis-information, every LIE that gets spread about CA gun laws and how hard it is to get guns into CA WILL end up being believed as Gospel by someone. The result? People who should know better doing EXACTLY what the antis want - refusing to sell/ship guns to CA. So, to those of you who get your jollies bashing CA for its gun laws: "Well done, people, well done." (steps down off of ammo can, picks it up and walks away, muttering to himself) I applaud people who refuse to kiss California’s ass to sell a product there. Sometimes principals must triumph over profit. A lot of us are tired of California using its wealth and power to bully manufactures into making California compliant products to meet the socialist republics private regulations. In order to save costs most companies will not make a special model just for California so they just make a model California compliant and those of us in the other 49 states are stuck with it along with the increased costs and hassle I would like to see more people like Ronnie Barrett and companies like Ruger with the new 1911 refuse to modify their products just to be able to sell them in California, this is not limited to just firearms. Any company that makes a product that meets federal standards should refuse to knuckle under to the bully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 What reason would a California FFL give for refusing to accept a firearm shipment from a private citizen out of state? Is there more work for them or some civil/regulatory liability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 That is a totally different kettle of drummers. I especially applaud those, like Barrett, who refuse to do business with the State of California because of the laws here. I would love to see both firearm and ammunition manufacturers tell the State "Hell no! If our product isn't good enough, or safe enough for your citizens, why should it be safe enough for agents of the State to use?" I am a bit confused about your "principals over profits" statement though. Lets say all firearms manufacturers refused to, as you say, "to kiss California’s ass to sell a product there," don't make product to meet CAs (really stupid) regulations and refuse to ante-up to keep guns on the Approved List, or pay for the testing to get new guns on the List. In not too long there would be no new handguns to sell to ordinary citizens in CA. How, pray tell, is that supporting the individual RKBA? It's like the guns that came out just after the '94 AWB - the makers made changes to existing designs to make them legal to sell...no unlike the Off List Lowers that are CA legal. I applaud people who refuse to kiss California’s ass to sell a product there. Sometimes principals must triumph over profit. A lot of us are tired of California using its wealth and power to bully manufactures into making California compliant products to meet the socialist republics private regulations. In order to save costs most companies will not make a special model just for California so they just make a model California compliant and those of us in the other 49 states are stuck with it along with the increased costs and hassle I would like to see more people like Ronnie Barrett and companies like Ruger with the new 1911 refuse to modify their products just to be able to sell them in California, this is not limited to just firearms. Any company that makes a product that meets federal standards should refuse to knuckle under to the bully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudflat Mike, SASS #20904 Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 Problem solved, we found a dealer in Ca. that knows his stuff and I'll be shipping the shotgun tomorrow. Please don't turn this into a Ca. bashing thread, they got enough issues to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hud Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 to answer your questions, 1st, yes as long as its not a so called assualt rifle, its perfectly legal to send longgun to a Ca ffl. 2nd, the ffl holder you talked to, is of the MASS misinformed, of which I believe SubDeacon Joe was talking about. Where in So Cal do you need it to go to? I am in LA county, let me know if further assistance is needed. HTH, your painting with a pretty broad brush there. We dont like it either, but as stated SO many times here, to obviuos deaf ears, we get STUCK with it. They are working on 3 bills right now that are not wanted, but Dems DONT CARE. They get voted into office by those that take from them, which now overpasses those that dont (welfare, Gov't employees,illegals). How do you get a fair vote this way? So, we do the best that we can, and hope for the best, and usually get the WORST. So, while its fine that you think Ca are bullys, remember us left here IN the Alamo that are going down fighting to the last man,and maybe you will not be so hasty to think we are not deserving of things we are TOLD we cannot have. hud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smithy Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 That is a totally different kettle of drummers. I especially applaud those, like Barrett, who refuse to do business with the State of California because of the laws here. But, lest you guy's forget it was California's laws pertaining to the 50 caliber BMG that lead to Barrett's invention of the .416 BARRETT. A more lethal round than the 50 BMG that it replaced and California legal. California legal because it was less than 50 caliber even though it used the same BMG case just necked down to .416. So even Barrett buckled somewhat to service its California customers and comply with California regulations, but in the end they ended up with a round that out performed their existing inventory and is sold across the country. Smithy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deschutes Drifter Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I applaud people who refuse to kiss California’s ass to sell a product there. Sometimes principals must triumph over profit. A lot of us are tired of California using its wealth and power to bully manufactures into making California compliant products to meet the socialist republics private regulations. In order to save costs most companies will not make a special model just for California so they just make a model California compliant and those of us in the other 49 states are stuck with it along with the increased costs and hassle I would like to see more people like Ronnie Barrett and companies like Ruger with the new 1911 refuse to modify their products just to be able to sell them in California, this is not limited to just firearms. Any company that makes a product that meets federal standards should refuse to knuckle under to the bully. I'm just going to guess that no one is getting bullied. Our laws suck in CA but we have a population greater than that of Canada and we want to buy our firearms within the law. It would be bad business to ignore this market. Sorry to participate in the Jacking of this thead...thanks to several posters who provided some good hard factual links to CA DOJ, etc....this was very helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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