Sarge Posted October 2, 2020 Posted October 2, 2020 For Sale #1: Winchester Model 12. This gun appears to have been built in 1927. Along the line, someone refinished the stock and did a re-blue. I had the barrel cut to 18 3/4” and an oversize bead installed. The gun also has a Pachmyr recoil pad. I have not had any action work done to the gun. $400.00 Shipped to a U.S. address. #2 (Sold) Winchester Model 97 D Series takedown. According the Serial number, this gun was built in 1906. I bought the gun from Mackinaw Kid, who set the gun up. It has an oversize bead and the barrel has been cut to 18 ½ inches. The forcing cone has been extended. Mackinaw did a repair to the carrier (see photo). The gun will squeeze 6 rounds into the magazine, but it is a tight fit. It wears a Kick EEZ recoil pad. $600.00 Shipped to a U.S. address. Sarge
Texas Lizard Posted October 2, 2020 Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, C.N. Double said: If the Model 12 is 2 3/4" chamber, I'll take it. You could have waited till I looked over the pictures... Texas Lizard
Sarge Posted October 2, 2020 Author Posted October 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, C.N. Double said: If the Model 12 is 2 3/4" chamber, I'll take it. I believe it is, but I don't have the gun with me. I am on a hunting trip. Can check when I get back Monday.
Sarge Posted October 2, 2020 Author Posted October 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, C.N. Double said: If the Model 12 is 2 3/4" chamber, I'll take it. According to this article, the 12 ga was chambered in 2 3/4". But let me double check.
C.N. Double Posted October 2, 2020 Posted October 2, 2020 Just now, Sarge said: According to this article, the 12 ga was chambered in 2 3/4". But let me double check. There were 3" versions, and I do not want a 3".
Sarge Posted October 2, 2020 Author Posted October 2, 2020 1 minute ago, C.N. Double said: There were 3" versions, and I do not want a 3". Got it.
Boomstick Bruce Posted October 2, 2020 Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, C.N. Double said: There were 3" versions, and I do not want a 3". I don't think they made the 3 inch back in the 20's, the barrel could have been replaced with a 3" but that wouldn't matter as long as the internal are 2 3/4 or modified. Mine is a 3"... There is a way to make them as smooth and reliable as the 2 3/4... I've done 2. Goatneck Clem told me how to do it. All you really have to do is replace the lifter with one from a 2 3/4. I replaced mine with a non flagged one, then modified it to take the flag from the original 3" lifter. There is also a mod you can do to the bolt to make it as smooth as the 2 3/4. Best part is it will still cycle and fire 3" shells! I have no idea why they made the bolt and lifter different in the 3 but the added weight of the 3 inch barrels is nice for sucking up recoil... (Estate 2 3/4" 1oz) VID_20190716_101928.mp4
Outlaw Gambler Posted October 2, 2020 Posted October 2, 2020 I will take the 97. Let me know where to send the $.
Sarge Posted October 3, 2020 Author Posted October 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Outlaw Gambler said: in the mail 10/2 10-4
Sarge Posted October 5, 2020 Author Posted October 5, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 10:54 PM, C.N. Double said: If the Model 12 is 2 3/4" chamber, I'll take it. Just got home and looked at the gun. It is not marked either 2 3/4" or 3". On the barrel, it is stamped Nickel Steel and Full Choke. I did try a 3" shell and it chambered easily. If I was a betting man, I'd say 3" but I do not now for certain.
C.N. Double Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sarge said: Just got home and looked at the gun. It is not marked either 2 3/4" or 3". On the barrel, it is stamped Nickel Steel and Full Choke. I did try a 3" shell and it chambered easily. If I was a betting man, I'd say 3" but I do not now for certain. Thanks, Sarge. I appreciate the extra information, and I hope your hunting trip was productive. I'm going to pass on this one, but I'm sure it is a fine shotgun another shooter will enjoy.
Sarge Posted October 5, 2020 Author Posted October 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, C.N. Double said: Thanks, Sarge. I appreciate the extra information, and I hope your hunting trip was productive. I'm going to pass on this one, but I'm sure it is a fine shotgun another shooter will enjoy. No worries. Hunting trip was great.
John Kloehr Posted October 5, 2020 Posted October 5, 2020 On 10/3/2020 at 8:16 AM, Outlaw Gambler said: in the mail 10/2 On 10/3/2020 at 1:32 PM, Sarge said: 10-4 And today is 10/5. Otherwise, ignore this post.
roughcreek, SASS#42949 Posted October 6, 2020 Posted October 6, 2020 I believe a 3 inch shell will chamber in a 2 3/4 chamber due to the extra space for the crimp to go when fired. However if you fired the 3 inch the crimp is now opening in the barrel instead of chamber and pressure goes way up. marking may have been polished off during reblue.
Sarge Posted October 6, 2020 Author Posted October 6, 2020 2 hours ago, roughcreek, SASS#42949 said: I believe a 3 inch shell will chamber in a 2 3/4 chamber due to the extra space for the crimp to go when fired. However if you fired the 3 inch the crimp is now opening in the barrel instead of chamber and pressure goes way up. marking may have been polished off during reblue. I appreciate that. Is there any other way to tell? There are some markings on the follower.
roughcreek, SASS#42949 Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 I checked my M12. No marking for that on my barrel either. So I got out my little steel ruler. If you look down the chamber you can see the forcing cone. Sticking my rule in till I feel the forcing cone at 2.7 inches. 2 3/4 inch shell is 2.4 inches. leaving 0.3 inches for the crimp to unfold. I measure a 3 inch shell to be 2.6 inches. It fits in the gun but the opening of the crimp is restricted by the forcing cone, raising pressure. A 3 1/2 inch shell is bigger in diameter so wont fit. That is my findings on my M12.
Sarge Posted October 7, 2020 Author Posted October 7, 2020 Thank you. Will try to check it after work tomorrow. 24 minutes ago, roughcreek, SASS#42949 said: I checked my M12. No marking for that on my barrel either. So I got out my little steel ruler. If you look down the chamber you can see the forcing cone. Sticking my rule in till I feel the forcing cone at 2.7 inches. 2 3/4 inch shell is 2.4 inches. leaving 0.3 inches for the crimp to unfold. I measure a 3 inch shell to be 2.6 inches. It fits in the gun but the opening of the crimp is restricted by the forcing cone, raising pressure. A 3 1/2 inch shell is bigger in diameter so wont fit. That is my findings on my M12.
roughcreek, SASS#42949 Posted October 7, 2020 Posted October 7, 2020 OOPS!!!!!! That 3 1/2 inch shell is a 10 GA.
Sarge Posted October 7, 2020 Author Posted October 7, 2020 Have been researching this. Based on serial number date range, it appears the 3" didn't start until 1934. This gun was built in 1927. https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2017/1/12/a-look-back-at-the-winchester-model-12-shotgun/
Sarge Posted October 8, 2020 Author Posted October 8, 2020 The Model 12 is still available and yes it has 2 3/4 inch chamber.
Sarge Posted October 9, 2020 Author Posted October 9, 2020 39 minutes ago, loopikas said: If the Model 12 is 2 3/4" chamber, I'll take it. It is.
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