Subdeacon Joe Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2015/07/21/sources-navy-officer-marine-shot-chattanooga-gunman/30426817/ A Navy officer and a Marine fired their sidearms hoping to kill or subdue the gunman who murdered five service members last week in Chattanooga, Tennessee, according to multiple military officials familiar with internal reporting on the tragedy. It remains unclear whether either hit Muhammad Abdulazeez, who was shot and killed Thursday after he gunned down four Marines and a sailor at the Navy Operational Support Center in Chattanooga. It's also unclear why they were armed, as it is against Defense Department policy for anyone other than military police or law enforcement to carry weapons on federal property. A report was distributed among senior Navy leaders during the shooting's aftermath saying Lt. Cmdr. Timothy White, the support center's commanding officer, used his personal firearm to engage Abdulazeez, Navy Times has confirmed with four separate sources. A Navy official also confirmed Monday's Washington Post report indicating one of the slain Marines may have been carrying a 9mm Glock and possibly returned fire on the gunman. Privately owned firearms. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/marine-in-chattanooga-shooting-might-have-been-armed-officials-say/2015/07/20/1787a027-bbc4-429b-a8cc-9730d73b96a4_story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar_slinger Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I pray I'm never faced with a similar situation and also pray if I ever am that I would have the courage to act as they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 They ran a story on the local gossip (news) channel last night about civilians patrolling the recruiting office here in Western Washington. They were armed for the most part with black rifles and slab side arms. Interviews with the locals seem to be favorable to the watchmen. I am not certain that this is the answer, but if the sight of armed individuals will deter even one shooting, I say GO FOR IT. Seems to me that these shooters pick targets that are soft and where they can get the most news coverage. I am also convinced in my own mind that not all of them are mentally deranged individual, but rather just plain EVIL individual. I am not certain that our courts can distinguish between the two issues. One thing is for certain, where there seems to be a chance that someone will shoot back, they seem to prefer not to exhibit their evil plans. Shooting children in a school or unarmed people in a theater is not something that a person a moral standard would do. IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted July 22, 2015 Author Share Posted July 22, 2015 They ran a story on the local gossip (news) channel last night about civilians patrolling the recruiting office here in Western Washington. They were armed for the most part with black rifles and slab side arms. Interviews with the locals seem to be favorable to the watchmen. I am not certain that this is the answer, but if the sight of armed individuals will deter even one shooting, I say GO FOR IT. Seems to me that these shooters pick targets that are soft and where they can get the most news coverage. I am also convinced in my own mind that not all of them are mentally deranged individual, but rather just plain EVIL individual. I am not certain that our courts can distinguish between the two issues. One thing is for certain, where there seems to be a chance that someone will shoot back, they seem to prefer not to exhibit their evil plans. Shooting children in a school or unarmed people in a theater is not something that a person a moral standard would do. IMHO. I think it is at least as much a political statement as actually guarding. You, I think, are spot on when you say "not all of them are mentally deranged individual, but rather just plain EVIL individual." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Were these two part of the five KIA by the terrorist, or in addition to? If the former, at least they went down fighting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Sounded like one died and one survived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I'm a little worried that the one who survived will be punished for having a gun in a gun free zone. Anyone know off the top of your head what kinda punishment he could be facing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 They ran a story on the local gossip (news) channel last night about civilians patrolling the recruiting office here in Western Washington. They were armed for the most part with black rifles and slab side arms. Interviews with the locals seem to be favorable to the watchmen. I am not certain that this is the answer, but if the sight of armed individuals will deter even one shooting, I say GO FOR IT. Seems to me that these shooters pick targets that are soft and where they can get the most news coverage. I am also convinced in my own mind that not all of them are mentally deranged individual, but rather just plain EVIL individual. I am not certain that our courts can distinguish between the two issues. One thing is for certain, where there seems to be a chance that someone will shoot back, they seem to prefer not to exhibit their evil plans. Shooting children in a school or unarmed people in a theater is not something that a person a moral standard would do. IMHO. I hope it embarrasses the DOD into taking positive and assertive corrective steps, rather than, "Don't wear your uniform" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 You are so correct about that Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted July 23, 2015 Author Share Posted July 23, 2015 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/23/us/chattanooga-tennessee-shooting-investigation-mohammod-abdulazeez.html?partner=socialflow&smid=tw-nytnational&_r=1 CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. — Marines and sailors risked their lives for one another in Chattanooga last week, trying to distract the gunman who assaulted a naval center, helping people scale a fence for safety and returning fire at the attacker, law enforcement officials said on Wednesday. Some of the five servicemen who were fatally wounded effectively sacrificed themselves during the assault on Thursday, diverting the gunman away from a larger group of potential victims, according to a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation into the killings. “This could have been a lot worse,” said the official, who did not want to be identified because he was not authorized to discuss the investigation. “It could have been a horrible, horrible massacre — so much worse.” At a news conference here, the F.B.I. confirmed that at least one service member shot at the attacker, but did not say whether he managed to wound the gunman, Mohammod Abdulazeez, who was killed minutes later in a shootout with the Chattanooga police. “A service member from inside the facility observed him and opened fire on him, firing several rounds at him,” said Edward W. Reinhold, the special agent in charge of the F.B.I.’s Knoxville office. Two guns belonging to service members were recovered from the scene, he said, and “at least one of those weapons had been discharged.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Heros one and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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