The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 When did Winchester start cutting(year/serial#)2 3/4" chambers instead of the 2 1/2" for the 97'? Thx for your time, LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 They never came with 2 1/2' chambers. There's a good discussion here. http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-390434.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 The 97 was an improvement on the 93. One of the things changed was the chamber length to 2 3/4". "The frame was strengthened and made longer to handle a 12 gauge 2 3/4 inch shell, as well as the 2 5/8-inch shell." Lumpy, Brimstone Gazette --- June 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted March 30, 2012 Author Share Posted March 30, 2012 Thank you BOTH CH, hope to see you in a couple of weeks LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Great info. And be sure to read the link Larsen gave about the difference in various 2 3/4 inch shot shells - the old and the newer star crimp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awful Close Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Cliff Hanger When they lengthened the frame from the 93 to the 97 to accept the longer shells, did they open up the ejection port as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Cliff Hanger When they lengthened the frame from the 93 to the 97 to accept the longer shells, did they open up the ejection port as well? I went out and measured a 93 and a couple of 97s. The answer is no as far as length is concerned. They did, of course, eliminate the dog leg at the rear of the port on the 93 when they redesigned it into the 97. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Clayton Conagher #43872 Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Is there a way I can tell if my 1897 Black Diamond Trap Gun is 2-3/4 or 2-5/8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacknife Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Is there a way I can tell if my 1897 Black Diamond Trap Gun is 2-3/4 or 2-5/8? Yeah. sell it to me, and I'll measure it and let ya know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pay Dirt Norvelle #90056 Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 I happen to have two 97s. One made late 1918 and the other early 1919. They are both E models and I have no problem shooting 2 3/4" shells in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Awful Close, I was asked today at lunch why I didn't respond to your post. Well, the answer came from Pettifogger and I don't see any reason to duplicate correct answers just to make a thread longer. Had I gotten back to the thread before Pettifogger, I would have posted the same answer. CH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Hopefully someone wiser/more well informed than I will confirm (or debunk) this. I have read that the origial 97's, even though they may be marked 2-3/4" are actually not 2-3/4" chambers, but 2-5/8" becuase they used to measure the chamber length "differently" than the way we measure it today. For that reason, I don't run modern 2-3/4" AA's in my 97's, but instead use 2-1/2" one. (Magtech all brass or AA's I have trimmed back.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cinch, SASS#29433 Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 They never came with 2 1/2' chambers. That is correct the 93 Winchester was chambered at 2-5/8" until it was discontinued. The 97 Winchester was chambered 2-5/8" during the time the production of the two models overlapped. I have two A model 93's that are 2-5/8's and a B model 97 made in 1899 serial 60xxx that is chambered the same. The B model 97 doesn't have a ejector, a carrier timing screw, or a carrier release button. It does have the 97 ejector pin instead of the 93 style pin which knocks the shell from the grasp of the extractor. All of my solid frame guns A, B, C, E models have the same length action including the 16 gauges which came with a 28" inch barrel. The port is changed beginning on the 97. The C model and later have a 2-3/4" chamber or more likely guns manufactured in 1900 and later. In 1900 (I believe) there were 4 grades available starting at $27 and up to $100. Custom shop guns could be had up to Pidgeon Grade and barrels to 32" these could be engraved and might cost a whole lot less than we give for a beater 97 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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