Easy Emily SASS #73673 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 As I was reading the post on the football question I was reminded of a discussion on the radio the other day. The discussion revolved around how many places should a team get a trophy and also what about these leagues that practice the no keeping of score. My thought what are we teaching kids if we do not teach them about winning and losing. Isn't that a part of life? I also feel that it is the parents job to make sure the child accepts winning and losing in a noble way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickahominy Charlie Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 As I was reading the post on the football question I was reminded of a discussion on the radio the other day. The discussion revolved around how many places should a team get a trophy and also what about these leagues that practice the no keeping of score. My thought what are we teaching kids if we do not teach them about winning and losing. Isn't that a part of life? I also feel that it is the parents job to make sure the child accepts winning and losing in a noble way. My thoughts exactly, Meg. As I posted on the other thread, I've coached baseball for the past 9 years. My first practice is a short one in which I teach the proper mechanics of throwing and catching. After 10 minutes of instruction, I get them started on the drill (overseen by my assistant coaches) and meet with my parents in the stands. I have my "Dirty Dozen Rules" which I hand out and explain to them. Two of my "Dirty Dozen Rules" are: 3. Coach doesn't care about winning and losing -- and neither should you. I will teach your sons and daughters the fundamentals of the game of baseball. The better we get at those fundamentals will show up on the scoreboard. Generally, we'll win more than we lose, but it's important for our players to learn how to win....and lose....with equal grace. 7. Coach strictly enforces the "no throwing" rule. We don't throw anything besides baseballs here. This includes not throwing gloves, bats, hats or fits. Infractions of this variety will find your son or daughter on the bench to think about how to properly play the game. Also, this no throwing rule includes parents too. Chick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kajun Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Good rules.....I guess that would mean now throwing a "hissy fit" as well. I umpired Little League baseball for 5 years and there is very little more fearsome than a T-baller's Mom throwing a "hissy fit" when things don't go her son's way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 As I was reading the post on the football question I was reminded of a discussion on the radio the other day. The discussion revolved around how many places should a team get a trophy and also what about these leagues that practice the no keeping of score. My thought what are we teaching kids if we do not teach them about winning and losing. Isn't that a part of life? I also feel that it is the parents job to make sure the child accepts winning and losing in a noble way. Ditto - I hate to see the 'woosification' of our next generation because EVERYONE must be on a level playing field - EVERYONE is a WINNER - rubbish horse hockey!! GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Good rules.....I guess that would mean now throwing a "hissy fit" as well. I umpired Little League baseball for 5 years and there is very little more fearsome than a T-baller's Mom throwing a "hissy fit" when things don't go her son's way! .... how about the 16yo newly qualified rugby league referee who was attacked with an umbrella by the mother of an "under 10s" player ..... (happened locally a couple of years ago) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake River Clay SASS #34984 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I play ice hockey. We don't keep score. Two nights I play against 16+yo's. That means 16-60. I'm 57. One night a week it is oldtimer's night. That's 35+. There have been a coulpe guys in their 70s. I keep track of my own points- goals and assists. Keeping score is rather pointless since the level of play is so varied. Last Tuesday we had a father goaltending at one end and his teenage son at the other. Not of equal skill. A few years ago we had a game putting the "Kids" against the fathers, coaches and any other of us "Oldtimers" that wanted to play. That night we did keep score and the Oldtimers won. To keep it a little more fair one of the kids was our goaltender and an adult goaltended for them. Figured it wouldn't be fair for the adults to shoot against a 15 year old. Keeping score would just be confusing and since either the players or goaltenders switch ends, and not at the same time. One shift I'm keeping someone out from in front of a goaltender and the next shift I'm parked in front of the same guy trying to score. For most of us playing hockey is just fun and great exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Gun Barney, SASS #2428 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I agree with you Meg, 110%. I have argued this point with many of the bleeding heart types that I work with and they just don't understand. Losing is part of life. I am part of the generation that learned about death when Mr Hooper died on Sesame Street. We kept score when we played T-ball (we had a losing season, only won2 games), but we had a helluva good time playing anyway. There will always be winners and losers. Sometimes you win, most of the time you lose, and how you accept both shows what kind of a person you are (and reflects directly back on those that raised you). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 coached and was a referee for 10 years (soccer) only had one time where the kid(s) were the problem. They wanted to keep score cuz there were plenty of teams around to compare themselves to, usually with friends from other areas to compete with. bragging rights are important and I was fortunate to have plenty of players who wanted to be the BEST at something and my philosophy was being the best meant carrying a pretty heavy load of responsibility. I always felt and tried to teach that you win and lose with equal grace or you needed to reevaluate just how good you really were. Many parents did not understand and I often saw them as the movers and shakers who tried to eliminate score keeping, hand shakes at midfield, cheering on of your teammates without being derogatory towards your opponents etc. I had no problem benching players whose sportsmanship did not meet my standards, tried aggressive plays that could result in injury to another, taunting of their opponents for any reason and sometimes the parents would get mad for not allowing stuff "that everybody does". Too bad, learn to play properly and win (or lose) while giving your best and the nonsense is not necessary. Regards Gateway Kid guess I am just to old fashioned and out of touch with todays standards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Ditto - I hate to see the 'woosification' of our next generation because EVERYONE must be on a level playing field - EVERYONE is a WINNER - rubbish horse hockey!! GG ~ Kinda like SASS, with 400 categories, and ribbons to fifth place? Everybody is a winner. OkieGrinch (who'd like to see the # of categories shrink) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfouts Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 I'm a firm believer in only first place trophies. The others don't mean as much. If you want a trophy, practice harder and win it. I also feel I have a responsibility to teach my kids to play as hard as they can and give 100% every play. If you loose, shake their hand, tell em good game, and work harder on the practice field. They have to learn to loose as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy Emily SASS #73673 Posted December 28, 2011 Author Share Posted December 28, 2011 My oldest played hockey when he was younger and I tell you what the parents were often worse then the kids. At one game one of our players committed a penalty and yes it was probably a cheap shot and not a good penatly. He was thrown out of the game (as he should have) and our team had to kill a penalty. After the game some of the dads from the other team conspired to grab our player when walking out to the cars (mind you were are talking 12 year olds here. The dads from our team escorted the boy to his families car. Oh and during the game the parents from the other team were yelling swearing and carrying on. Unbelievable. and the real kicker is this was a Catholic School team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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