Hawk Eyes Hudson

I appreciate and respect all of the valuable input and knowledge from my fellow members. This affirms my reasoning in becoming a part of this organization. You are all right and Big Boston nailed it. I saw the barrel assembly on ebay and $300.00 later with a little research and some trust in someone who did not know what they were doing I was Hornswoggled. Could not return the assembly, barrel was cut and cone lengthened and two months later from drop off finally demanded gun and rep says, Oh! I was supposed to call you last week but forgot. We did all the work but could not mate the barrel to the receiver. That was the main reason I took it in. Anywhose, I found a # 1 and 2 sleeve and after a week wonking around with that, "Way to loose or the magazine tube would not seat." The rep said it seemed safe but might not eject. About 40 snap caps later and a little filing on the original sleeve. It fits pretty tight and ran like a champ at my Wild Bunch shootout! My problem is like you, perfection is the name of the game. Especially when it comes to hardware. Well if I talk much more you guys will probably block me. I am happy at the moment and all correspondence is well received. Pumping my 97' still makes my Tick Tock! Ha!

Thanks for the help Dee! I will give Feland a call tomorrow afters I gets my properties back from these varmint's that calls themselves knowledgeable and square.

I have had a Winchester Model 12, 12 ga in may family since 1961. I had hunted many birds and rabbits with that gun on the high plain of the caprock but for the last decade it has been retired. I became interested in SASS back last year but did not get involved until about 3 months ago. I had read in the rule book that Wild Bunch would now allow the Model 12 to be used in civilian or military format. I was ecstatic to say the least. I got the old girl out and cleaned her up but the barrel was long and I just could not bring myself to cut the barrel of a family heirloom. Low and behold on the internet I run across a complete 12 ga barrel assembly for a remarkable price. I buy and start looking for a Houston company to do the barrel cut and lengthen the forcing cone to 3". My assembly arrives and low and behold I cannot get the barrel to mate. I try every adjustment with the adjusting sleeve and no go. I try to get ahold of Nu-Line but no luck. I finally locate a top of the line manufacture right here in Houston. I drop the gun and assembly off and get, it will be two months. They will mate the two barrels, cut the barrel and extend the forcing cone to 3". Two months later I have no response, I have to show a great deal of determination and get, Oh! I was supposed to call you last week but I forgot. We lengthened the cone and cut the barrel but there is a problem and we cannot get the receiver to accept the new barrel. Super disappointed with these people. I cannot return the assembly now and if I cannot get the problem fixed, I am SOL. Now to top this all off I read the Clarifications Notice for Wild Bunch and it states that only the Model 12 would only be acceptable in Trench Gun Configuration. Is this story getting to long. Does anyone know any Winchester Model 12 master that might help me with the mating problem. I have already ordered a trench gun reproduction attachment to update my old girl and get her to work again. Can you help an old Cowboy out. "Woe", is me!

I purchased it on Outpost Online of Durango, CO. It was advertised as a C&I product. Go figure.

Hey Wranglers, I purchased a brand new Winchester 1897 12 ga takedown about 2 months back. Well it's about 110 years old but its new to me. I marvel at the ingenuity from that time. Well to start, I have had a few shotguns over the years but this gun is intriguing. There are some great videos on disassembly and the like but nothing on replacing or fitting the sear. Well, after some head scratching and eyeballing and some great files from Wheeler Engineering it was done. My question to those of you who tinkers, "Do you really see a difference?" My real problem is that I also purchased a new stripped carrier and transferred the guts from old to new during the sear install. Well its hard to tell. If you have had this sear installed could you describe any noteworthy improvement. I am building another complete carrier for backup along with a bolt and I won't add C & I sear unless it gets validated. I don't think you can screw up the frame on these old relics. They made some good iron back in the day. HEH

Hey Abilene, Good Idea, and I Did!

Well Outlaw's and Ladies, I am getting closer to finally finishing my first SASS ready gun cart. I was asked to take a picture of it folded over and asked if I had a picture of me working on it. I also included the original design schematic, Ha! I am finishing the anti tilt device for when the box is empty or lightweight and only the guns is loaded. The only thing I have left to do is add the handle which is also going to sub as an umbrella holder. I look forward to meeting, what I believe to be people who are like minded and aligned with my values. Our country relies on the strong willed and determined folks that I know you and I are. I hope you enjoy the pictures, I am sure I will enjoy all of you and the suspense that Cowboy Action Shooting and SASS will bring to me. Happy Trails!

I do not have pictures of me building the monstrosity but I did. The top only folds open so as if I drop anything to the bottom I might retrieve it without taking the whole damn wagon apart. I should be almost finished by my first meet @ Gunsmoke Columbus, TX by this next weekend. It was built for family. I have two teenagers whom I hope might join me in my endeavors. My Squaw thinks I am Touch the Clouds, crazy. That is my Oklahoma name where I am originally from. He was a great warrior. Momma always claimed she had no indian but Grandpa and her and the other kids had some high cheekbones and other shared characteristics from that Indian Nation. Getting Excited for the first stage. Maybe, "Conestoga".

I appreciate much of the criticisms that followed my post especially those of you who made sense or had an inclusive tone. I look forward to becoming an integral part of the society and a respected competitor in time. I am new and have a lot to learn. I don't really know the full navigation of the web site but I will Learn! Is there a way to block members you do not really want to hear from in the future. Thanks, HEH

Unfinished project! I will be adding my handle with umbrella support and an anti tilt mech, for when the front box is light. The latches on the side allows me to fold the gun box on top of the storage compartment if it becomes necessary. I will post more pictures when I get these modifications done. If my kids ever want to follow their Pappy on the SASS/CAS trail we will have plenty of room for awhile. Keep your powder dry and you lips wet! H.E.H.

Hey Wranglers, I am a newbie to this game and I hope with a little time I will smooth and sharpen my edge. I am the curious type when it comes to guns and have armored several AR and Ruger 10/22. Many fine guns I hope I never have to part with. I do have a women? Anyways, I have purchased two Ruger 44 Vaqueros and tuned them up with Longhunter spring kits and Power Custom half cock trigger kits. I only screwed up one paw. They are now slicker than owl substance. I do digress! I like to do things myself, when I can. I decided that I can build my own gun cart. Pictures attached. I am looking for a name for this behemoth. War Wagon/John Wayne Movie or Chuckwagon, cause it's loaded. If any of you folks get the notion for a good name please drop me a message and I will post the winner in about a month. Hawk Eyes Hudson SASS # 112559 aka: Ric W.

Hey BB, I am under the impression that the Model 12 has to be the trench gun configuration, correct?

I built a spare carrier or lifter for my Winchester 1897. I purchased a new carrier and stripped the old parts off of anEbay purchase, added some new parts that I purchased. Everything was stiff but it is starting to loosen up. I think these old guns have a mind of their own. Everything is working well with one exception. When I rack the slide the trigger moves to half cock or safety and does not fully cock. I can find no visible differences on the old carrier and the new. I install the old carrier and viola it works perfect. I am getting involved in Wild Bunch and will at some point build a spare bolt to boot. I have adjusted all spring tensions with no resolve. Any knowledgeable suggestions welcomed.

I built a spare carrier for my Winchester 1897. I purchased a new carrier and stripped the old parts off of anEbay purchase, added some new parts that I purchased. Everything was stiff but it is starting to loosen up. I think these old guns have a mind of their own. Everything is working well with one exception. When I rack the slide the trigger moves to half cock or safety and does not fully cock. I can find no visible differences on the old carrier and the new. I install the old carrier and viola it works perfect. I am getting involved in Wild Bunch and will at some point build a spare bolt to boot. I have adjusted all spring tensions with no resolve. Any knowledgeable suggestions welcomed.

I have been looking for a good schematic for this shotgun. CZ owner manual not much help. Some of the parts list numbers don't even correlate with the schematic. Anyways, if you guys have any knowledge or whereabout of a good one it would be appreciated. I just like to get as much knowledge on my guns. A purchase decision is forthcoming.