What's the Call - Setting SxS down with action closed prior to starting stage

[John Kloehr]

I'm not understanding all of the references in this thread as to if the gun is cocked as this is never mentioned in any of the rules for transporting. 

 

It is relevant in the context of the CoF.

[Tennessee williams]

10 minutes ago, John Kloehr said:

I'm not understanding all of the references in this thread as to if the gun is cocked as this is never mentioned in any of the rules for transporting. 

 

It is relevant in the context of the CoF.

You can't have a closed and cocked sg of any kind while moving between the LT and the ULT. It's just that simple. 

Edit to add following:

Pg 22 shb. Look way back at my first post on pg1 of this thread

[John Kloehr]

9 minutes ago, Tennessee williams said:

You can't have a closed and cocked sg of any kind while moving between the LT and the ULT. It's just that simple. 

Edit to add following:

Pg 22 shb. Look way back at my first post on pg1 of this thread

Agree.

 

Can't transport a closed shotgun period, Can move with a closed shotgun if hammers are down on expended shells or empty chambers during CoF.

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L]

On 8/19/2023 at 6:32 PM, Flying W Ramrod said:

Once the shotgun closes, the shooter must stop and open it again. The rule for transporting a cocked long gun from the loading table to the stage is only for the Rifle.

The Shotgun closes and you continue to walk, is a SDQ.

Misty said she was going to check on the, actual, motion voted on at the TG meeting, to see if it was "long guns" or just "rifle". If it was "long guns" she was going to change the rule to reflect Shotgun and Rifle. That was at EOT. Things happen and this probably go put on the back burner.

 

Is that statement in reference to the original ballot item that passed in 2019 regarding the dismissal of the SDQ for moving with a cocked rifle from the LT to the staging point as long as the chamber is empty?
Are there minutes available from the most recent EoT TG meeting?

(Please PM or email info)

 

On 8/20/2023 at 7:37 AM, John Kloehr said:

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Also noted when one SDQ leads directly to another, only one SDQ assessed. Setting the gun down closed resulted directly from transporting with the action closed so only one SDQ.

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If you are referring to this rule:

Two accumulated SDQ penalties (even on the same stage). *This does not apply to a single action that carries multiple penalties (e.g. breaking the 170° with an unloaded firearm AND simultaneously sweeping someone).

SHB p.23 - MATCH DISQUALIFICATION PENALTIES (MDQ)

 

...the "transportation" and "staging" are separate actions (NOT simultaneous) = 2 SDQs = MDQ.

 

 

 

 

[Major Crimes]

If I can just get someone to say they don't care what PWB says they are doing it their way, my 6 pages are looking good

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L]

Locking this down pending receipt of additional information.

Will also review docs for any potential clarifications.

(apologies to those with $$ riding on extended discussion)