Phi Psi Joker Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 Does anyone have anything resembling a shooter’s handbook for zoot? A local club let people shoot it and I’d like to familiarize myself with the rules for Thompson’s and 1911’s. TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 Posted March 9 Share Posted March 9 If I recall correctly the Zoot Shooters patterned their rules off of the SASS Handbook rules, except for the guns used and number of rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 In a nutshell, Zoot is very similar to Cowboy, just with different guns. At it's simplest form, you'll see a "caper" where have 10 to 15 pistol rounds. You can use 2 revolvers, or an auto loader pistol, reloading as needed. You'll see 10 to 30 rifle rounds, using a semi auto rifle shooting a pistol caliber round, 30 carbine is okay, reloading as needed. You'll see 5 shotgun rounds, using a pump or auto loading shotgun. You may also see a pocket pistol incorporated into the caper. Cut off date for guns is 1949, And that's about it, 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 minute ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: In a nutshell, Zoot is very similar to Cowboy, just with different guns. At it's simplest form, you'll see a "caper" where have 10 to 15 pistol rounds. You can use 2 revolvers, or an auto loader pistol, reloading as needed. You'll see 10 to 30 rifle rounds, using a semi auto rifle shooting a pistol caliber round, 30 carbine is okay, reloading as needed. You'll see 5 shotgun rounds, using a pump or auto loading shotgun. You may also see a pocket pistol incorporated into the caper. Cut off date for guns is 1949, And that's about it, Thompsons and 1911's dominate, and Browning Auto 5's are very popular as are 97's I have used those, as well as a Russian burp gun paired with a Tokarev pistol, a Luger, 1917s, Webley and have seen reproduction Sterlings and other semi auto versions of other SMG's, all kinds of autoloading pistols, and so on. It's fun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 I forgot to mention, one of the most fun times I ever had was using a Broomhandle for my pistol, and a second Broomhandle with a fixed 30 round magazine with the shoulderstock holster as the rifle. Used the Hi Power as a rifle once too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Okay, basics for the guns: All ammunition is lead, no fmj, coated is fine .30 caliber or larger for handguns Standard capacity magazines are legal, 13 round High Powers, 10 round Savage, etc Velocities, including rifles, not to exceed 1,100 fps [yes, I know this is almost impossible with a .30 caliber M1 carbine] Guns must pass the 10 foot rule for visible modifications Checkering/stippling legal on pistol frames Adjustable sights are legal as long as they are period [pre49] correct Trench style shotguns are legal SBRs are legal if your club allows them Moon clips and half moon clips are legal, speedloaders introduced 1949 or earlier are legal. Stripper clips may be used I will post more as I can remember or dig up 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Oh yeah.... Some clubs will allow the use of rifle calibers. I once saw a fellow shoot a match with a BAR. Full Auto is also okay, if the club allows it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 sounds like fun but i guess ive not got a lot more since this is first ive heard of it - ill have to check it out i guess 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Zoot Shooters Bring Gangster Style To The Gun Range https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/75991-american-zoot-shooters/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sedalia Dave Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 On 3/8/2023 at 7:54 PM, Phi Psi Joker said: Does anyone have anything resembling a shooter’s handbook for zoot? A local club let people shoot it and I’d like to familiarize myself with the rules for Thompson’s and 1911’s. TIA Start here https://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/board,108.0.html?fbclid=IwAR3wE37CDE21gtdM8mLySAI5foWahjbtzPKYCBx22YxBoPMChEGL3S70KuA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 I am trying to dig up my old PDF of the rules, but am away from home right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Kid Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Found this from 2011. Shot the annual match in Colorado a few times. Hated to see it drop. Some of our local clubs have a "Z" class in their WB matches. Hope this helps. JP Smith Zoot Shoot Rules.docx 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Kid Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Another. JP AMERICAN ZOOT SHOOTERS ASSOCIATION Rules 4.2.docx 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Sadly, it never really caught on like it should have. It's a LOT of fun. Very similar to our game, just with a different class of guns. I did make it once to the annual championship match out in Colorado. That was quite enjoyable. I am Zoot Life Member 99, BTW. They were running a special at the time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Kid Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 These capers are from the 2014 match. Shows others just how much fun it can be. JP Smith #64 AZSAwc14Capers.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 As an aside, I recall about 2001 or so that there were some folks trying to get another game up and running. Same dress rukes as SASS, but shot with modern guns. Rem 870's and 1100's and such, pistol caliber carbines and glocks or whatever for handguns. Bonus points for holding pistol sideways while shooting. Called it Urban Cowboy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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