Rooster Colt, SASS 29482 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 I have Winchester model 1897 trap gun with two matching barrel,s to the receiver. The receiver and both barrel,s have the same serial #s one is 30 inch full the other is 20 inch cylinder. Has any one see one like this and how many were made like this ? Value? The gun is about 85% condition. SASS Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Howdy Dennis. Don't know the answer, but I remember you from Tin Star Ranch! Nice to see you're still around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Colt, SASS 29482 Posted June 13, 2021 Author Share Posted June 13, 2021 You are right I went by Rooster Colt at that time. I lost my father two years ago he went by Indy Jack. That was a hard time at Tin Star I could of made it the best place to go in the USA. That was 20 years ago. I am doing good and may start shooting again. Good to hear from you. I miss Texas and may come back some day. Thank you Dennis Kavanaugh now Sheriff Kavanaugh of Clinton County Iowa 1986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 Never mind...this thread is more about old friends...good luck. Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Colt, SASS 29482 Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 Is Hanabass still with us? A good friend and Toot Barkley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 37 minutes ago, Dennis Kavanaugh said: Is Hanabass still with us? A good friend and Toot Barkley? I shot and had lunch with L.W.Hanabass yesterday at Texican Rangers! Still the most authentic looking and shooting of all of us! I do not recall Toot, sorry. edit: I take that back, I do recall the alias, but not for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Colt, SASS 29482 Posted June 14, 2021 Author Share Posted June 14, 2021 Tell L.W.Hanabass Hi for me I miss his friendship. He is a great man. Butt not much of a buffalo hunter. Ask him about his great trailer hunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Mongo, SASS #61450 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 I've only seen one of these guns. It was a C model with screws in the forend wood. It was in great condition. I had the chance to buy it for $700. That was 10 years ago and I thought it was too much. I told my cowboy gunsmith about it and he informed me that I was an idiot for not snapping it up. Today, good original 97 parts are very hard to acquire. Having a second barrel assembly, serial numbered to your gun, is very valuable. You sir have a "unicorn". IMHO, you most certainly should demand a much higher price, if you choose to sell it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 34 minutes ago, TN Mongo, SASS #61450 said: I've only seen one of these guns. It was a C model with screws in the forend wood. It was in great condition. I had the chance to buy it for $700. That was 10 years ago and I thought it was too much. I told my cowboy gunsmith about it and he informed me that I was an idiot for not snapping it up. Today, good original 97 parts are very hard to acquire. Having a second barrel assembly, serial numbered to your gun, is very valuable. You sir have a "unicorn". IMHO, you most certainly should demand a much higher price, if you choose to sell it. 10 Years ago...that wasn't a bad price if the gun was in about 50% condition. Not all that rare though...definitely not a "Unicorn". Although the short barrel is a little more rare. Usually the "short" barrel is a 26". Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Mongo, SASS #61450 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 You nailed it Phantom; the gun I passed on had a 30" and a 26" barrel. Regrettably, the one I passed on was 85%-90% condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 29 minutes ago, TN Mongo, SASS #61450 said: You nailed it Phantom; the gun I passed on had a 30" and a 26" barrel. Regrettably, the one I passed on was 85%-90% condition. Bummer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Rooster, the important information needed here is the serial number that is on the receiver and the two barrel assemblies. If they match or are very close, then I would get a letter from the Cody Museum about this gun. The $65 letter authenticates how the gun originally shipped from Winchester, and if it shipped with two barrels, the value could be high. If the numbers are far apart, then some shooter just matched a second barrel assembly. Still a good find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, Tom Bullweed said: Rooster, the important information needed here is the serial number that is on the receiver and the two barrel assemblies. If they match or are very close, then I would get a letter from the Cody Museum about this gun. The $65 letter authenticates how the gun originally shipped from Winchester, and if it shipped with two barrels, the value could be high. If the numbers are far apart, then some shooter just matched a second barrel assembly. Still a good find. Uhhh...the OP states that the Serial Numbers matched...this is NOT a terribly uncommon thing as Winchester manufactured these with some regularity. Having two barrels that do not match is meaningless...even "Very Close" is meaningless. Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Colt, SASS 29482 Posted June 21, 2021 Author Share Posted June 21, 2021 The barrels and receiver have all matching serial #s Rooster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof James Weed Nish Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 I want to thank Rooster for starting this thread. I've been shooting a C model 97 off and on since 99, I bought it in LGS for under $350. It came with 2 barrels a 26" cyl and a 30" full. Even with the short 26" barrel, I felt I would better with a 18" or 20." Didn't want to chop either one of the barrels I had, all the serial# matched didn't really think it odd someone bought a shotgun with matching barrels. I fitted another barrel picked up on ebay cut it to 18.5". The gun has an honest "patina" it has been used, I didn't treat it anyways special. I just filled out the form from the Cody Museum to get it's history. JW Nish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Prof James Weed Nish said: I want to thank Rooster for starting this thread. I've been shooting a C model 97 off and on since 99, I bought it in LGS for under $350. It came with 2 barrels a 26" cyl and a 30" full. Even with the short 26" barrel, I felt I would better with a 18" or 20." Didn't want to chop either one of the barrels I had, all the serial# matched didn't really think it odd someone bought a shotgun with matching barrels. I fitted another barrel picked up on ebay cut it to 18.5". The gun has an honest "patina" it has been used, I didn't treat it anyways special. I just filled out the form from the Cody Museum to get it's history. JW Nish. Have you ever shot a match with the 30" barrel? I recommend you try it, just once. I started this with 20" 97 and was perfectly happy with it. But I also wanted to have one with a long barrel, just to have one, and maybe use for Cowboy trap now and again. Found a 30" full choked one. Tried it once. It instantly became me regular main match shotgun. While I am not perfect with it, I find that much more rarely miss the the shotgun targets or fail to knock them down like I did with the shorter tube. That, and using the long barrel gets a lot of funny looks and good natured chuckles. You do need to learn to be careful moving around windows and doors and such, but it's actually pretty easy to figure that out. And it's especially useful for the occasional popper target. Give it a try. If you don't like it, go back to short tube, but you may be surprised at what you find when you try it. BTW, I also have an 30" F/F Parker. I like it much better than my I8" one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Colt, SASS 29482 Posted June 22, 2021 Author Share Posted June 22, 2021 I have used the 30 inch and what was fun if you took a step left or right you could hit two knock downs with one shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Colt, SASS 29482 Posted June 22, 2021 Author Share Posted June 22, 2021 Just now, Rooster Colt, SASS 29482 said: I have used the 30 inch and what was fun if you took a step left or right you could hit two knock downs with one shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Colt, SASS 29482 Posted July 4, 2021 Author Share Posted July 4, 2021 L.W.Hanabass are you out there?? Miss you buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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