Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Be aware that Winchester is now advertising that their Xpert 12 gauge shotshells, loaded with steel shot, are "Ideal for target shooting" as well as for shooting game. Here's a link to a new Brownell's listing for this ammo: http://www.brownells...&sp_mid=3598383 We will probably be reminding shooters that they may NOT use steel shot for matches at the Buffalo Range Riders and High Desert Drifters, on Founders Ranch. Too much chance for high velocity bounce back, and target damage, too. In my experience, there is a good likelihood that inexperienced shooters may purchase these target loads with the expectation of using them on the cowboy range. Good luck and stay safe, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throckmorton,23149 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 that is scary,thanks for the heads' up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Brady #24830Life Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 What is really scary is that they are under $6 a box and if someone has them in their shotgun belt without knowing any better, no one else will know. May be a good time for a general broadcast message from SASS, all clubs, etc. reaffirming that your shotshells need to be LEAD shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August West, SASS #45079 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Now, here's a situation where photographs would be very helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nichols Creek, SASS #77627 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Now somebody will be checking shotgun shells with a magnet. Not a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 Now, here's a situation where photographs would be very helpful. The Brownells link I included shows you a pretty good photo of the box, and acceptable images of the shells. GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanley Shooter Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 IF THE PICTURE OF THE SHELLS IS TRUE TO FACT, THEY LOOK LIKE HIGH BRASS. MIGHT HELP THE TO/RO TO IDENTIFY IT. SHANLEY SHOOTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Now somebody will be checking shotgun shells with a magnet. Not a bad idea. Perhaps standard fixture at loading tables... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 Ok, next monthly at Founders Ranch, watch out for the electromagnets embedded in the front lip of the loading table. They will be turned on just as the shooter at the front of the table gets the call to proceed to the firing line. Any shooter who sticks to the table has to go back and get lead shot ammo. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtwater Doc 17941 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I think this will be an issue in the coming years. Steel may replace lead at many ranges especially in urban/suburban areas where cleanup and remediation is costly. SASS may need to think about this. My questions to the group: Which is more affected by steel shot: the shotguns we use or the target? Is steel shot a problem with the mild steel targets most clubs use? DD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanley Shooter Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Ok, next monthly at Founders Ranch, watch out for the electromagnets embedded in the front lip of the loading table. They will be turned on just as the shooter at the front of the table gets the call to proceed to the firing line. Any shooter who sticks to the table has to go back and get lead shot ammo. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 Which is more affected by steel shot: the shotguns we use or the target? Is steel shot a problem with the mild steel targets most clubs use? More affected? If you ream the chokes out of a Browning BSS with your steel shot for $1400, or tear up eight shotgun knockdowns at $1600 total value during a match, which one comes out of your pocket? And which out of the club, the price which then has to come out of your pocket AND all the other club members? Most clubs use mild steel targets? I always assumed most knowledgeable clubs used armor plate targets, like the four or five I shoot at regularly, and like most of the target manufacturers are using in their commercial targets. But I'll bet a dollar to a donut that steel shot will tear up even an armor plate target pretty quickly. And the real damaging effect will be when a pard sues a club for the twenty pieces of steel shot that have to be surgically removed from their face and eyes, due to the splashback.. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanley Shooter Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 YOU BRING THE CAR BATTERY I WILL BRING THE COPPER COIL TO ATTACH TO THE TABLE SHANLEY SHOOTER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtwater Doc 17941 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 More affected? If you ream the chokes out of a Browning BSS with your steel shot for $1400, or tear up eight shotgun knockdowns at $1600 total value during a match, which one comes out of your pocket? And which out of the club, the price which then has to come out of your pocket AND all the other club members? Most clubs use mild steel targets? I always assumed most knowledgeable clubs used armor plate targets, like the four or five I shoot at regularly, and like most of the target manufacturers are using in their commercial targets. But I'll bet a dollar to a donut that steel shot will tear up even an armor plate target pretty quickly. And the real damaging effect will be when a pard sues a club for the twenty pieces of steel shot that have to be surgically removed from their face and eyes, due to the splashback.. Good luck, GJ I'm not arguing the fact that steel shot may be destructive, but we may not have a choice in the future. DD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted August 16, 2011 Author Share Posted August 16, 2011 IF THE PICTURE OF THE SHELLS IS TRUE TO FACT, THEY LOOK LIKE HIGH BRASS. MIGHT HELP THE TO/RO TO IDENTIFY IT. Unfortunately, and more confusing than needs be, Winchester is making TWO types of Xpert shells. Standard and High velocity. The high vel steel-shot shells appear to have the brass colored high base. The standard velocity steel-shot shells have a low, silver-colored base. So, just looking at the base will not be a reasonable identifier. (Click the "NEXT" button on the first picture you enlarge, and you get the second picture). Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largo casey #19191 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 I found some new rounds at the local W Mart.They are Winchester SUPER TARGET XTRA-LITE TARGET LOAD..1oz #9 shot I shot them at our last WB match.They were not that bad..And for 5.97 a box.I've been buying some every payday. Largo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Eye Reb Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 I'm not arguing the fact that steel shot may be destructive, but we may not have a choice in the future. DD Your right we won't have any choise.....we won't be using our shotguns at all. Or we will have to go the route that the mounted shooter do with thier blanks, only use brand -specific that are distributed at the firing line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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