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FS/T EAA Witness steel compact in 10mm in their Wonder finish. Lightly used, I bought this new back '19 and carried/shot it very little. Includes 3 total magazines (11+1), 2 RH holsters, 6 new recoil springs and 3 spare mag base pads. Gu8n shoots great and has been 100% reliable with approx. 200 rounds through it. Double action/single action trigger you can carry cocked and locked or hammer down on a loaded chamber. EAA is no longer importing these and they were hard to get even when they were, if you want a very ergonomic steel carry gun (CZ clone by Tanfoglio) in a powerful caliber, this is a great combo. $750 shipped to your FFL. I also have a EAA Witness Stock III in 10mm if you're interested. First I'll take it posted here gets it. 9/7 Listing elsewhere as well, please PM for availability. Payment by personal or cashiers check. Trade interests VIA PM ONLY: M50 REISING, NFA MAC 10, RUGER HAWKEYE PISTOL, RUGER 357 MAXIMUM, BROWNING 71 CARBINE, WINCHESTER 1901 SHOTGUN, H&K P7 M13, BROWNING MEDALIST, MARLIN 67 256 WIN MAG. Consider other interesting, quality firearms VIA PM. Thanks.

Perhaps we need a section in the SHB for things we each want discouraged.🙄 You know, like shadow shooting. 😆 We can now add this "thing", what shall we call it? "Almost dry firing/not quite shadow shooting/I'll feel better if you don't"? That's what I see when I read comments that support the "call" made in the OP. Under things I'd add to be discouraged? Discouraging shooters from doing things that aren't a rule, because someone thinks there should be a rule for it, or in their OPINION, it's unsafe. (the hand wringing umbrella answer, that no one should dare question) If you want it to be a rule carrying a penalty, follow the process, and if enough people agree, it'll be added. There might need to be more separation of "black pin" discussion(less sharing) when calls are made, to keep from muddying the water. Anyone in position to make these calls should refrain from interjecting their personal feels. Quote a rule and a penalty, or make it a no call. This is currently a no call given the information shared.

My colt bucket list gun...

Light synthetic oil on all friction points.

38 special chambered guns, I was shooting up some old 38 short colt ammo that day.

you mean these?!😁

They tend to run good "out of the box", but like virtually all mass produced firearms, can benefit from action work for competition use.(but then you know that) Are you going to get a super smooth, slick rifle from the factory? No. Plenty of folks have trouble getting that from their Uberti, after sending it to a gunsmith.(and you know that too.LOL) They are miles ahead of the Italians in machine work and quality of steel and wood though. They can have a few quirks, but fixes for those are known. There are at least 2 variations of stroke that are/have been available, one is a typical longer length, the other, close enough to the SASS rule minimum I don't notice.(seems stupid they offer both, but they missed the class on efficient manufacturing and poke a yoke principles apparently) Most aftermarket parts have come and gone and/or may be coming(low production runs), but due to the low demand, what is available, when it's available, is pricier. Factory replacement parts are a problem, but I have yet to break anything on the 4 I own and many parts like screws are mostly interchangeable with Uberti. Any parts problems I've seen, tend to stem from DIY'ers, DIYing something they should not have.... For your stock style dilemma, I offer a third option. Mirokus are available with a "shotgun style" butt stock on some models. It does not have a pistol grip, but has a higher comb, allowing a proper cheek weld. It is the same style you've seen me shoot on my Uberti's that I converted to, many years ago. Pictured is the one on my current main match Miroku gun(with factory short stroke links). Look at that wood!! *hand wringer note: this style stock was available from Winchester originally and is legal for SASS.

Randy and I are all good. We all just need to be careful and keep an eye out for each other!

Nothing. SKB's rule the game.

There were a few at Land Run: Darby, Jayhawk Jerry, Happy Appy, Wyoming Double Oot, Cap'n Highpockets, Captain Allyn Capron. I shoot with Ranger John Paxton at several clubs in Florida and Alabama and I believe he now qualifies for El Rey, he also travels to many of the larger shoots. He's an inspiration to us all, usually shooting clean and beating many of the other shooters.

Yeah. So, addressing these. The "shield" is present in ALL Winchester shotguns, 1887 single extractor, dual extractor and 1901 dual extractor. Ironically, the shield on dual extractor guns is half the size of the shield on single extractor guns, as it is cut away to make room for the added , second extractor. Cap had to have it in any variation, as the guns will not run properly without it. Cap was a good promoter, The 1901 was "certified" for smokeless ammo due to the improved steel used in originals and frankly, is probably copied by the reproduction companies due to being the last design in the series. Much ado was made of the incorporation of the 3rd locking point/hinged lever, brought from the the 1901(probably the "something else" you refer to). Ironically, this feature is always defeated in the guns setup for true speed work. Dual extractors were added to the original 87's for reliability in extracting early paper hulled ammunition that would swell when wet, a hurdle we don't have to cross. Dual extractors for our use simply adds complexity to the loading process when "loading two"(a second "hook" to catch hull rims) and complicates the tuning of a second moving part. In true "more is better" fashion, Cap also promoted this heavily as well. Cap also heavily promoted his "Load 2". No one shooting one of these guns at speed (a Top 10 overall shooter at a big match) is using his system, or touting it to new shooters. Cap did a lot to bring these guns to fruition and should be applauded for that, he helped to successfully bring a niche gun to market. We were all learning a lot about these 25 years ago, how we approached the modifications to originals and what was needed/wanted in a reproduction for our sport. I met with him a couple of times and discussed possible changes while he was working on the project, but like in shooting styles, there are always differing opinions of what works best and what is needed. Often, what is the most highly promoted becomes "gospel", whether it is correct after years of application or not. Repeatedly saying something is an improvement, doesn't make it so, competition will find what works best.

In the pictures, on top is an original 12ga, in the middle is an original 10ga, bottom is an IAC "Norinco" 12ga(Coyote Caps). You will notice the IAC is 12 ga length. The twin extractor fiasco is another story. I do not have a Chiappa to photograph, but they are 10 gauge length.

The Marlin carrier doesn't slide in a mortise.

You're going to force me to take the pictures again aren't you.

Perhaps in width? The Chiappa is based on a 10 gauge frame and with the lever open, there will be approx. a 1/4" difference in the opening length. It's part of what makes the Chiappa heavier than an IAC/PW/Original 12 gauge. I posted pics of this a while back, but annoyingly, I can't find them with the search function or on my PC. Due to the weight(the 87's are all heavy), I continue to recommend the IAC(it's lighter). None of the factory "Drop 2" systems that I've seen will reliably work at speed. Lassiter or Slater will need to add their "Load 2"/"Fast load"/"whatever their calling it" to have any chance at reliable loading of 2 shells at speed. I add the clarification "at speed", because you can load 2 on an unmodified gun if you take your time. You can make the Coyote Cap version run fine, if you take your time. If you want to run it fast and competitively, you need the proper work done. Negative. The IAC (that Cap helped with) was based on a several guns. The 12 gauge 1887 was used for frame length. The 1901 10 gauge was used for the extra locking crap and the hinged lever and the unnecessary dual extractors.