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Fort Reno Kid

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  • Birthday 07/07/1942

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    El Paso, Texas
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    Cowboy Action Shooting, High-Power Rifle (especially John C Garand Matches and Vintage Bolt Action matches), concealed carry matches, IPSC

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  1. Howdy Pard Didn’t see your post in time to act but many thanks and much obliged to your good self for posting it. Hope other Pards will similarly enter posts when they find primers on sale. At an April gun show a guy had a brick of spp’s at $150.00. No fooling’. For me: thanks but no thanks. We have to keep the faith. Some day this primer/powder drought will end. Adios Fort Reno Kid
  2. Howdy Pard Congrats on getting that beautiful old smoke pole back in action. Looks as if you’ve found plenty of opportunities for 348 jacketed bullets. If you decide to try cast bullets … they’re gentle on old rifling and lend themselves to mild practice reloads … you might put a WTB for a mould or do an internet search for a commercial bullet caster who offers them. Happy Trails Fort Reno Kid
  3. Howdy Pard I’m assuming you mean 25-20 WCF. I reload for it (sweet shootin’ smoke pole!) and sympathize with your issue. My supply of brass is running low and I lose a few to neck-or-shoulder splits each outing. Thots for you: 1.) Keep doing what you’re doing here … advertising in shooting forums. Not just SASS Wire but others as well. 2.) Hit the gun shows. At the recent El Paso gunshow I saw a grand total of 2 boxes of 25-20 for sale. Is it my imagination that the same two guys hit the various gunshows with a table, sometimes two, with a vast assortment of partial and full boxes of ammo? 3.) Do extensive internet search of the various shooting-supply outfits: Midway, Graf&Sons, Brownells, Sportsmen’s Guide, and many et ceteras. Never know which might have received a shipment or have some in stock. 4.) Do internet search of custom ammo outfits. Some of them may do occasional runs of 25-20, often using sized-down 32-20 brass. That’s what I’ve done over the years to keep my shootin’ iron going. Side note. Oh how I wish Starline would make 25-20 brass. They have resurrected so many old or obsolete cartridge brass. They make the 25-20’s big brother, 32-20, but seemingly refuse to make 25-20. Best of luck Adios Fort Reno Kid
  4. Howdy Pards Just a quick addendum. At last Cowboy Match couple of weeks back I fired approx 60 rds of 45 Colt using my favorite load of 5gr of Titegroup and 250 gr bullet. Hands didn’t hurt but they knew they’d had a workout. Much like watab kid’s comment above, I’m not about to exit the game and want to hang onto my 45’s. That said, I suspect some lighter powder loads and lighter bullets are in my future. Thanks again to all the Pards who added comments and described their pet loads. Lots of useful info. Happy Trails and Adios Fort Reno Kid
  5. Howdy Pard Not a factory conversion but there are some drop-in options you might consider. Howell and Kirst come to mind and I suspect there may be others. I’ve used 45 Colt Howell conversion cylinders in a replica 1860 Army (5 shot) and a Ruger Old Army (6 shot). They’re fun to shoot and add flexibility to two already great shootin’ irons. Happy Trails and Adios Fort Reno Kid
  6. Howdy Pards Pleased to see so many posts. Lot of load data utilizing different powders and bullet weights for consideration. Believe one of the prime benefits of mild 45 loads is being able to continue using 45 (and 44) handguns without having to go to 38 Special. Not a big concern for you younger Pards but worthy of consideration as age and arthritis make their ugly appearance. Adios Fort Reno Kid
  7. Howdy Pards I’m using cowboy special brass with greater frequency as arthritis in my thumb joints makes for greater recoil sensitivity. The cowboy special brass is shorter (45ACP length) and provides more reliable ignition for light loads. Four grains of Unique and the Lee 160 grain cast bullet make for a gentler load and still take down the steel. My brass is homegrown. Easy to trim 45LC brass to cowboy special length, particularly if you have a lathe or access to one. Over a lengthy period of time I accumulated a fair amount of 45LC brass with neck splits. During the lockdown I took ‘em to a buddy with a lathe. An hour or so later I had a mess of cowboy special brass. Have also used same technique to trim 44 special/mag with neck splits down to 44 Russian length. And, yes, rightly or wrongly I use the term, 45 long colt. The 45 Schofield (aka 45 S&W) is shorter and cowboy special is really short. A perusal of Fred Barnes’ “Cartridges of the World”, for instance, shows a whole mess of various short 45 cartridges. Guess that makes 454 Casull the 45 Extra Long and the 460 S&W the 45 Super Long (LOL!). Adios Fort Reno Kid
  8. Howdy Pard And thanks for the info. For one of my shootin’ buddies ill health pretty much put paid to his cowboy shooting. He sold me a brick of small pistol primers. Will keep me going for a while. Have a decent supply of small rifle primers. Nonetheless, nice to know they can substitute for each other if worse comes to worse. Good to know. Thanks and Adios Fort Reno Kid
  9. Howdy Pard Had a similar issue with a 44-40 pistol, modern replica of 1875 Remington. It took factory ammo just fine but balked at my cast bullet reloads. I was sizing the cast bullets (from various moulds) with a .429 push through die. Had lots better luck when I switched to a .427 sizing die. Another thot: the brass stretched when fired. Made it a point to measure and trim to correct length. The replies to your post contained some good info. Wish , for instance, that I’d known back then to initiate the reloading process with a 30-06 sizing die. A period 1873 Winchester graciously and generously takes all my reloads. Go figger! Adios Fort Reno Kid
  10. Howdy Pard Lower down on this page is my post, “Mild load for 45 Colt”. I tried a load of 4 grains Unique with a 160 grain bullet. Worked well. The post received quite a few responses. Many good Pards offered excellent suggestions for additional mild loads for 45 Colt. Some good info there. Adios Fort Reno Kid
  11. Howdy Pards Bit of background. Our Cowboy group got started in late 1980’s. Back then I shot 38-40, 44-40, 44 Special, and 45 Colt. Had my powder measure set for 8.5 grains of Unique and used that load for all of those cartridges. Then … came advancing years and arthritic hands. That load seemed heavier than necessary. Still rotate among those cartridges but now my powder measure is set for 5 grains of Titegroup. Works well in all of ‘em. Have been contemplating a lighter load in the event the arthritis worsens. Some of our “mature” shooters have switched to 38 Special with light loads but I prefer to stick with my 44’s and 45’s. Between Cowboy matches I practice at an indoor range. Loaded a box of 45 Colt with 4 grains of Unique and the Lee 160 grain cast bullet. That’s pretty close to a 38 Special load. Used a tight crimp to assist ignition. Had some trepidations about the light load but ignition was fine. Plenty of sturm and drang. Recoil, as you can imagine, was quite mild. Point of impact at cowboy-range distances not too different from the Titegroup load. I suspect that load would work even more efficiently in Schofield brass and particularly in 45 Cowboy Special brass. Haven’t tried it yet in 44 Special and 44 Russian but believe it would work as well or better. For now I’ll stick with my “old faithful” load of 5 grains of Titegroup and 250 grain bullet … BUT … it’s comforting to know a milder recoiling alternative is available should the need for it arise. This might also be a good starting load for a new shooter. As confidence rose, the shooter could transition to a more traditional cowboy load. Thot I’d share this experiment with the group in the hope it might provide perspective. Adios Fort Reno Kid
  12. Howdy Lady Pard I’m impressed with the good guidance you’ve received and surely have no arguments with their research and nothing of substance to add. Do have some nagging doubts about how the liberals in Sacramento might view it. Seems they never met a firearm to which they didn’t take an instant dislike. My son lives in California. For reasons that boggle my simple mind, he seems to take offense when I refer to his state as “The People’s Demokratik Republik of Kalifornia “. Wonder why? Mostly tongue-in-cheek but with a wee bit of seriousness you might consider relocating to a Free State. Texas is an example and there are lots of others. I have Howell conversion cylinders for an 1860 Army and a Ruger Old Army and just enjoy the “H” out of them. Really adds a new dimension to those already great shootin’ irons. Adios Fort Reno Kid
  13. Hey Three Foot Johnson You bring up a good point. Best default response I can come up with is “Hmm … hadn’t thot about that”. Chronygraph the load? Nope, don’t own one and, tongue-in-cheek , I state that if’n I cain’t spel it I prolly ain’t surposed to use one. Think you have a good point. Perhaps dropping the load to 7 grains might toe the mark better. Forgive the reluctance as I experimented with a lot of powders and lots of load weights to determine that this gave optimal accuracy in my rifle. So far my shootin’ buddies haven’t complained. Don’t think that 65 grain bullet does much damage to a clanger. For sure won’t use it for another SASS group. And in the meantime it rocks for Silhouette matches. Adios Fort Reno Kid
  14. Howdy Pards Lot of good info on 25-20. Bot my Winchester 92 in 1957. Still have it. Still love it. Use it for Cowboy Matches. I get ribbed for using a “mouse gun” (my usual go-to is a Uberti Model 1860 Henry in 45 Colt) but the Model 92 , an original-not-a-replica, gets plenty of well-deserved, admiring attention. Also use it for Lever Action silhouette matches. It certainly has the accuracy. Now if only I was a better shooter … I cast for it. Bot a Lyman 257420 right after I bot the rifle. Cast the bullets of linotype or lino-blend and lube with Lee liquid alox. It’s a gas-check design. I shoot it plain base for SASS and gas checked for silhouette. After experimenting with several powders, I settled on a pet load of 9 grains of IMR or H4198 with the Lyman 257420. Great accuracy in my rifle and it takes down SASS knockdowns and 100 meter silhouette rams with plenty of authority. Brass? That can be a issue. Wish to “H” that Starline would produce it. Be alert for it at gun shows and peruse the various classified sections of shooting forums, not least, of course, the SASS Wire Classifieds. Welcome to the world of 25-20! Enjoy! Adios Fort Reno Kid Side note. Agree with earlier comments that there were no factory-produced 25-20 pistols. Multiple years back I recall an article, if memory serves in “The American Rifleman “, of an outfit that made custom 25-20 revolvers. My suspicion is that a pistol in 25-20 would have modest recoil but tremendous flash and bang.
  15. Howdy Pards Until recently I wasn’t aware of 22 cartridge adapters for 45 Colt revolvers. Bot mine from Numrich Gun Parts Corporation. Ain’t cheap but they enable one to practice economically using 22 ammo in 45 cowboy revolvers. Came in useful for my membership at a close-by indoor shooting range. They don’t allow handloaded ammo. The inserts enable me to practice with my Ruger OMV and Ruger Blackhawk. The inserts are metal machined to 45 Colt dimensions and bored for 22 rimfire. There’s a tiny bit of rifling but, in my humble experience, the rifling doesn’t do much. Still, enables me to use my Cowboy shootin’ irons with 22’s and get in meaningful practice. I use 1/2” red dots a few yards out and reasonably close groups tell me if I’m observing good handgun practices. Virtually no recoil but plenty of flash and bang. Definitely clean the revolvers and inserts after use. Plenty of carbon buildup. Expensive insets? Yes, but a box of 22’s is a lot cheaper than a box of 45’s and aside from recoil the practice is close to the real thing. For what it’s worth , the inserts drop easily into my Blackhawk but not so easily into my OM Vaquero … in fact one cylinder of the Vaquero won’t take an insert without a tap from a mallet. Suspect they’d work in the Italian clones but don’t have practical experience. An outfit called UniqueTek also offers their version of cartridge inserts. They state that their inserts are smooth-bore instead of rifled but I doubt that would interfere too much for close-range practice. They have an interesting website; offer some interesting products. At such time as the great ammo shortage eases … we must have faith! … I’ll be curious to try 22 shorts and the Aguila BB and CB caps to see if better, longer-range accuracy might be obtained. For now, my ample supply of 22LR do good work. To the moderator: I have no financial interest in either firm and no ulterior motives. Just want to make my Pards aware of an interesting possibility. Adios Fort Reno Kid PS. Not to cast aspersions on Numrich’s website, but their search function could stand to be a bit more user friendly. If you want to review their info on the inserts, enter PN# 765870 and save ourself a frustrating search experience. Found the UniqueTek site’s search function to be more user friendly.
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