WynChester1947 Posted September 5, 2024 Posted September 5, 2024 I'm a new member to the Forum and wish to ask if any members can give me some info on the gun described in the heading. I recently bought it and I know the stock has been shortened, a vintage recoil pad added, nicely re-blued and furniture refinished (also nicely done). I am toying with the idea of replacing the recoil pad with a correct steel butt plate (I have found one that will fit the stock dimensions). My questions are: 1) what was the original standard LOP on this gun; 2) Was the stock originally a curved or flat-cut butt; 3) Since it's already been re-blued, refinished (although long ago and apparently very professionally) and shortened, therefore affecting collector value, should i just leave it as is instead of trying to get it closer to original specs? I appreciate any feedback and advice. I look forward to being a member of your forum.
El Sobrante Kid Posted September 5, 2024 Posted September 5, 2024 Hi WynChester1947, welcome to the forum. Since the gun has already been refinished, its collector value is gone. That's not to say that it is not still valuable. At this point, I think you can do whatever you want with the stock and not feel bad that you might have further hurt the value in some way. Personally, I would not worry about, or spend any extra money, trying to set it up to "original specs". If you plan on using it then set it up the way you want to. Have fun with the project, the Kid
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted September 5, 2024 Posted September 5, 2024 be sure to check the chamber length , or have some one do it , I figure it will be shorter the Modern length think it will be 2 7/8 add to that , you will need to reload , to keep pressures down , she is well over 100 , treat her nice CB
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted September 5, 2024 Posted September 5, 2024 Is it an 1887 or a 1901? The latter is safe for smokeless. The former is black powder only
Blackwater 53393 Posted September 6, 2024 Posted September 6, 2024 I recently sold a very solid, all original 1901 Winchester. As Chickasaw said, check the chamber!! Mine was slightly short of the specified 2 7/8” !! It didn’t seem to matter with plastic or paper shells, but my brass shells didn’t function well. The chamber has room for some relief and the forcing cone can be smoothed. The gun, if it’s a 1901, is proofed for smokeless shells and safe to use so long as you remember that it IS an old gun and should be thoroughly examined by a competent professional gunsmith that is familiar with this model. I mostly shot Black Powder loads in mine and it was capable of handling anything I could load it with. I found some high brass genuine Winchester WW smokeless shells and it handled them as well. I loved mine, but a feller paid me a nice profit on it and it went to a good home. Remember!! You’re shooting a game where you don’t need elephant stopping loads! You’ll probably like that recoil pad if you shoot a whole match with it! Try it like it is, (after you’ve had a gunsmith check it out) for a match or two and then figure out how you want to use it and what it’ll take to make it work best for you! My dos centavos!
Warden Callaway Posted September 6, 2024 Posted September 6, 2024 A picture would help. The 1887 had one piece lever. The 1901 had a two piece. This is a 1887 made in 1887.
WynChester1947 Posted September 6, 2024 Author Posted September 6, 2024 Thanks very much for your prompt replies, Kid and Bill! I'm glad you talked me out of spending the time and $$ to replace the pad (which is now hard as steel anyway). My rational side was telling me that, but the gremlins started acting up. It is indeed a 2 7/8 chamber, but it is the 1901 revised model. I'll promise to be gentle to it and hope it will return the favor. LOL THANKS AGAIN!!
WynChester1947 Posted September 6, 2024 Author Posted September 6, 2024 MANY THANKS, GUYS! Very helpful information.
Blackwater 53393 Posted September 6, 2024 Posted September 6, 2024 Remember the only two rules that really matter!! BE SAFE!! HAVE FUN!!
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted September 6, 2024 Posted September 6, 2024 13 hours ago, WynChester1947 said: Thanks very much for your prompt replies, Kid and Bill! I'm glad you talked me out of spending the time and $$ to replace the pad (which is now hard as steel anyway). My rational side was telling me that, but the gremlins started acting up. It is indeed a 2 7/8 chamber, but it is the 1901 revised model. I'll promise to be gentle to it and hope it will return the favor. LOL THANKS AGAIN!! Pictures PLZ.
WynChester1947 Posted September 8, 2024 Author Posted September 8, 2024 Gritz--I've been out of commission with a nasty virus the last couple of days. I'll get some pics up shortly.
WynChester1947 Posted September 8, 2024 Author Posted September 8, 2024 Gritz- here's a pic of the gun--1887 (1901 revision). I hope the quality is satisfactory. The lighting was not great. Sorry for the late reply. I was predisposed riding the Porcelain Pony Express.
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted September 8, 2024 Posted September 8, 2024 6 hours ago, WynChester1947 said: Gritz- here's a pic of the gun--1887 (1901 revision). I hope the quality is satisfactory. The lighting was not great. Sorry for the late reply. I was predisposed riding the Porcelain Pony Express. Very nice! Check ALL screws, often. Drive it like a stolen car......
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted September 9, 2024 Posted September 9, 2024 Time to invest in some 10 Gauge All Brass hulls and reloading equipment form RMC. Expensive as all get out to do that, but well worth it for such a fine gun. That in fact, is my plan. If I ever get a 1901, I'll just factor in the cost of the reloading stuff.
WynChester1947 Posted September 11, 2024 Author Posted September 11, 2024 THNKS FOR THE TIP--might do just that!
Blackwater 53393 Posted September 11, 2024 Posted September 11, 2024 You can buy the appropriate length brass 10ga shells from Track of the Wolf as well. They aren’t as durable as the ones from RMC, but they’re less expensive as well. I prefer the 2 5/8” shells for my 1901. You’ll find that they cycle much more smoothly.
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