Albinoeke Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Hello, i just got a brand new norinco(nia) though it was a little rough (china made) it worked fine BUT after 7 shots it jammed up. After fixing that problem this started to happen. The carrier does not lock into place thus causing this to happen (watch video) unless i hold my hand to keep it from falling or if i remove the sear spring (as if the spring pull the carrier down) but it works ok if i put the sear onto the hammer manually without the spring. https://youtube.com/shorts/EGyamKdc8Rs?feature=share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Wheeler Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Let's start at the beginning. You have a new 97, it fired 7 times and what exactly did you do to resolve the jam and what exactly was this jam? Please be more specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albinoeke Posted August 5, 2021 Author Share Posted August 5, 2021 What happened was that a fired shell got stuck in the action, as i pulled back to release it a shell from the magazine tube got into the carrier and i had to push back the shell into the tube which resolved the jam. The spent shell i had to pry out with some pliers. Kinda like the pictrue exept the ejector was still holding onto the top shell. *These are spent shells* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 It looks like the extractor on the bolt released the spent shell before it reached the ejector. That left the spent shell hanging out of the chamber. The fresh shell was correctly released from the magazine onto the carrier. Since the spent case was still in the gun, you have a jam. You probably have a worn or weak extractor. I'm not a gunsmith but I play one in my basement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said: It looks like the extractor on the bolt released the spent shell before it reached the ejector. That left the spent shell hanging out of the chamber. The fresh shell was correctly released from the magazine onto the carrier. Since the spent case was still in the gun, you have a jam. You probably have a worn or weak extractor. I'm not a gunsmith but I play one in my basement. ^ This ^. OR, your Extractor wasn't correctly position in the bolt face, got loosened and released the rim to early. They can do that if the spring is too light or if to much wear has occurred, as B.Bob mentioned. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Am I seeing the video correctly? You pull the trigger and the carrier drops, but the hammer doesn't? Does the action slide move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albinoeke Posted August 5, 2021 Author Share Posted August 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Hendo said: Am I seeing the video correctly? You pull the trigger and the carrier drops, but the hammer doesn't? Does the action slide move? No the hammer wont fall until i hold the carrier up manually and the slide wont move until i press the trigger. It is like the carrier wont lock into the slide. I recently noticed that the gun works like it should if i lock the carrier by hand and pull back a little on the grip. I'll post a video of this later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Wheeler Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 My best guess is: 1 the magazine tube is not seated all the way rearward or 2 the magazine tube has a ring welded that stops the slide this also has a spring on it. If the ring was not welded securely to the mag tube it may have let go causing your carrier to not lock. 3 Possibly the issue is at the carrier it has a rod along the left side that may need adjusting. You can test this by removing the parts and testing the action with dummy rounds. The round not extracting all the way as others have said may be an extractor issue. You have two different problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Wheeler Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 Correct myself, you don't have an extraction issue I reread your post if you had to pry it out of the extractor there probably isn't a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albinoeke Posted August 5, 2021 Author Share Posted August 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Lefty Wheeler said: My best guess is: 1 the magazine tube is not seated all the way rearward or 2 the magazine tube has a ring welded that stops the slide this also has a spring on it. If the ring was not welded securely to the mag tube it may have let go causing your carrier to not lock. 3 Possibly the issue is at the carrier it has a rod along the left side that may need adjusting. You can test this by removing the parts and testing the action with dummy rounds. The round not extracting all the way as others have said may be an extractor issue. You have two different problems. Yeah the extractor works ok, and shells feed ok after i unjammed it. I have tried to remove the spring on the magazine tube but it did not help, it actually got worse. I'm starting to suspect the rod or the hook it moves as all of the other parts seems to be in working order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Wheeler Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 If you are able to move the collar under the wooden forearm that is your problem I'm talking about. The spring is a cylinder about 10mm long that has a split and floats on the exterior of the tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albinoeke Posted August 6, 2021 Author Share Posted August 6, 2021 12 hours ago, Lefty Wheeler said: If you are able to move the collar under the wooden forearm that is your problem I'm talking about. The spring is a cylinder about 10mm long that has a split and floats on the exterior of the tube. Here is a video of the collar. https://youtube.com/shorts/3TM189Tsu90 The way it should work. The slide goes back when doing this. https://youtube.com/shorts/omh-brHhuVw Ejector works fine https://youtube.com/shorts/WZo6YJRZqeg?feature=share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Wheeler Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 The spring should move as your video shows. The collar that is fastened to the tube should not. If it shows signs on moving it changed the location of the carriers movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Wheeler Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 The video is moving a lot and difficult what to determine. It also appears that the spring has more length than required. This may be preventing the forearm from moving all the way forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albinoeke Posted August 6, 2021 Author Share Posted August 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, Lefty Wheeler said: The video is moving a lot and difficult what to determine. It also appears that the spring has more length than required. This may be preventing the forearm from moving all the way forward. Sorry about that moving, here's a picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Wheeler Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 I feel this is the area you should concentrate on. If the collar on the right is secure play with the spring length that may be pushing your forearm rearward. That's the best I can do without having it in my hands. Good luck Lefty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albinoeke Posted August 6, 2021 Author Share Posted August 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Lefty Wheeler said: I feel this is the area you should concentrate on. If the collar on the right is secure play with the spring length that may be pushing your forearm rearward. That's the best I can do without having it in my hands. Good luck Lefty Thanks! I'll try ordering a new weaker spring/take some width of it :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 That collar is way to loose. It should be a very tight fit to the magazine tube. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albinoeke Posted August 6, 2021 Author Share Posted August 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Lefty Wheeler said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albinoeke Posted August 6, 2021 Author Share Posted August 6, 2021 I tried to move the collar by removing the spring and use the gun without it again and the collar moved freely, i can even move it by hand now. I guess i better send it back to the store i got it from and get a replacement tube. Thanks everyone for helping me out! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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