Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Always a good day when you learn something. I learned that some of the M1 Garands had their receivers annealed because of a faulty temper? According to my source, they dipped the receivers into molten lead to re-temper the metal. I did not know that before. Fellow posted pictures and you can see the line on the receiver just under the rear sight. A great big HUH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 So Badger... Where'd you come across this information...? Was there a range of receivers improperly tempered and too soft or brittle... as with early '03's...? Criminies! Where's my Garand... Where's my inspection lamp... Where's my magnifyin' glass... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted October 22, 2012 Author Share Posted October 22, 2012 So Badger... Where'd you come across this information...? Was there a range of receivers improperly tempered and too soft or brittle... as with early '03's...? Criminies! Where's my Garand... Where's my inspection lamp... Where's my magnifyin' glass... Sent you an PM. Quoted from the post: Yes, and that was one thing that caused me to pause before buying it. The pictures make it look more obvious than it does in natural light. I didn't know quite enough about how to tell the difference between reweld and annealing so I hesitated. So, I took the rifle apart and looked at the tool marks and they were consistent all across the receiver and nothing funky under the heal or inside the raceways. No signs of welding and the rifle operated smoothly. My guess is that it was purchased from the old cmp a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Sent ya one back...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted October 22, 2012 Author Share Posted October 22, 2012 Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Lots of info on Garands out there. Here is a little from the Garand Collectors Assoc: GCA Glossary. Here is a discussion on the annealing: CMP Forum - Garand Annealing One websire like the Wire that I use is: milsurps.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted October 22, 2012 Author Share Posted October 22, 2012 Thanks for the links, Rider. I never knew about the lead/annealing thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 I learned to shoot Military Style on a Grand but that is the extent of my knowledge of them. However, I didn't think molten lead had a high enough temperature to cause any appreciable action or reaction in steel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 However, I didn't think molten lead had a high enough temperature to cause any appreciable action or reaction in steel? Lead melts at 621 F but you can continue heating it to 3180 before it vaporizes. I would not but given the nearly infinite resources of the gov't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted October 23, 2012 Author Share Posted October 23, 2012 Well, apparently is does, Noz. Several places have noted that is what happened back in the early years of the war. Circa 1942, IIRC. It was not symptomatic of all of the Garands, but some that were produced in a certain lot or production run. I do not recall if this was a field expedience issue or if it was a recall incident. I would imagine that a recall would not have been good in 1942-1943. The temper process was adjusted and the problem went away. There was some flack about it being caused by the operating rod hitting the end of the receiver, but that was disproved along with the idea that the shooting of rifle grenades caused the issue but it was noted that a special gas plug was required to do this. I do not recall that we were issued a special gas plug to shoot gernades but that was over 50 years ago and my recall only goes to 0400 hours, today. There is a lot about the issue on the web, but can you really believe all that you read on the web. This guy that I learned from, had some pretty convincing pictures, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Lead melts at 621 F but you can continue heating it to 3180 before it vaporizes. I would not but given the nearly infinite resources of the gov't I thought there was a point just under 1000 degrees at which it became unstable and did all sorts of funky stuff to the container and everyone around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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