Widder, SASS #59054

THIS ^^^^^ From over 200 Marlins I have worked on, a high percentage can reliably feed 1.50" OAL, give or take a few .000's.......... Basically, the high 1.4 range up to the low 1.5 range. We normally only hear about those with feeding issues with shorter OAL rounds. But the lack of information shared from the owners of 'reliable' Marlins keeps us from knowing their preferred OAL is probably 1.5", +/-. If someone has modified the carrier ramp to give it a faster timing, then shorter rounds will work great. And if the timing is slower, then longer OAL rounds work best. Best regards ..........Widder

Speaking of reloading data, I also have some LIMITED data for the S&W 500 mag, and the S&W 460 mag. My 460 seems to favor H-110 and LilGun, but I have also found a VERY GOOD load using CFE BLK when shooting the 300 grain bullets. I've test AA9 and Ramshot 'ENFORCER' in both pistols but I didn't like the results as well as H110, LilGun and CFE BLK. ..........Widder

DAN, I shoot a reasonable amount of .45+P, .45 Super, and 460 Rowland in my 1911's and Power Pistol and Longshot have become my favorite powders. AND, as you can tell from my data, Power Pistol and Longshot have warranted their favorable usages in my 10mm also. On a side note, concerning semi-auto pistol type ammo, I have found BE-86 my favorite in the 9mm........ although I have not tested it for anything else. AND..... CFE PISTOL is also an excellent 10mm powder but I couldn't find my load data on it. If you want some data on CFE PISTOL, let me know and I'll check thru my 10mm folder. I've kept data on just about everything I've ever fired, including testing some pistols for TN Williams. Everything from his S&W 617 (.22) up to his S&W 500 Mag. Slater has told me that when I die, he would like for me to will all my load data stuff to him. He don't want any guns....... just my load data. The 10mm is a great cartridge and should serve you well in a revolver. Its a true .40 caliber and I have found it easy to reload. Some powders and published load data can give you a compressed load, so proceed with caution on those. If I remember correctly, AA9 and Blue Dot have compressed load data, which I try to stay away from. ..........Widder

BUT...... what if Nicole ain't really dead? It could have been staged event and she might be under the Federal Protection stuff. Did we actually see her body? We saw 'the glove'. ..........Widder

Howdy Dan I use to shoot a lot of 10mm, but only in my semi-autos. But, for general purposes of sharing some information about the 10mm, I thought I would list some of my data from my velocity test. Here is a lot of data, but I hope it helps. And I might add that this data is from MY testing and not from any book information. I will show bullet weight, powder charge/powder type, and average velocity. My chronograph was set approx 8 ft. from muzzle. And all testing was done in warm weather. Although accuracy is subjective to guns and shooter, I will also show those loads that gave me the best accuracy from each pistol. EAA WITNESS.......... 3.6" barrel 135 Sierra JHP. 16.2 / AA9. 1325. Best Accuracy 150 Nosler JHP. 12.7 / AA7. 1307 150 Nosler JHP. 10.0 / Power Pistol. 1309. Best Accuracy 155 XTP. 12.7 / AA7. 1319 155 XTP. 9.9 / Power Pistol. 1244 165 V-Crown. 9.5 / Longshot. 1223 Springfield 'XDM' .......... 3.8" barrel 135 Sierra JHP. 16.2 / AA9. 1359. Best Accuracy 150 Nosler JHP. 12.7 / AA7. 1331 150 Nosler JHP. 10.0 / Power Pistol. 1367 155 XTP 12.7 / AA7. 1359 155 XTP. 9.9 / Power Pistol. 1277. Best Accuracy 165 V-Crown 9.5 / Longshot. 1237 Springfield 'Ronin' .......... 5.0" barrel 135 Sierra JHP. 16.2 / AA9 1440 150 Nosler JHP 10.0 / Power Pistol. 1466 155 XTP 12.7 / AA7 1437 155 XTP 9.9 / Power Pistol 1387. Good Accuracy 165 V-Crown 9.5 / Longshot 1313. Top Accuracy #1 165 V-Crown 9.5 / Power Pistol 1307. Top Accuracy. #2 180 XTP 10.4 / Blue Dot 1236 180 XTP 9.4 / Longshot 1294. Top Accuracy #3 Iver Johnson 'Eagle-XL' ..........6.0" barrel 135 Sierra JHP. 16.2 / AA9. 1522. Good Accuracy 150 Nosler JHP 10.0 / Power Pistol 1476. Good Accuracy 155 XTP 12.7 / AA7 1471 155 XTP 9.9 / Power Pistol 1417. Good Accuracy 165 V-Crown 9.5 / Longshot 1333 180 XTP 10.4 / Blue Dot 1268. Best Accuracy 180 XPT 9.4 / Longshot 1319 Springfield 'Operator' TRP .......... 6.0" barrel (everything was accurate) 135 Sierra JHP 16.2 / AA9 1539 150 Nosler JHP 10.0 / Power Pistol 1540. Best Accuracy #1 155 XTP 12.7 / AA7 1489 155 XTP 9.9 / Power Pistol 1459 165 V-Crown 9.5 / Longshot 1359 165 V-Crown 9.5 / Power Pistol 1369. Best Accuracy #2 180 XTP 10.4 / Blue Dot 1296 180 XTP 9.4 / Longshot 1347 NOTE: The V-Crown bullet is a Sierra Bullet, but they call it the 'V-Crown'. If you find any typo's (discrepancies) in my data, give me a shout back and I can double check my data. Or if ya want a call, PM me your phone and I'll call ya at your convenience. Hope this helps. I ain't typed this much since sending Elvira a love letter in high school........ ..........Widder

I always liked his personality. Always seemed like a great feller. ..........Widder

Howdy DOC. Hope you are doing well. Those BIG pistols do have a noticeable 'buck & roar' effect, but their grip design, plus a good glove and wrist wrap, help. Although mine is a 5" model 460 w/comp, and TW's is the 4" model 500 w/comp, the longer barrel models are not bad at all to shoot. Their power is awe-inspiring. And the wrist does feel a little sore the next day.. And I know this sounds funny, but if you want to have fun shooting the 460 model with some hot .454 Casull loads, just shoot the 500 first......... and then those Casull loads dont seem bad at all..... Take care. ..........Widder

Here is the song I was thinking of..."If this old house was built on memories....." Beautiful song. But YouTube won't allow me to embed it. Sorri. ..........Widder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLP2aHWKOpA

Howdy Boggus. Thats interesting. I've done that with my rifle calibers (6BR, 22-250, etc...) but never have done it with my magnum pistol reloads. I have noticed on some FACTORY ammo for the 500 and 460 that some manufacturers seem to use the collet style crimp..... and some don't. Anyhow, I'll report my results as soon as I can get back on the farm and do some 'shoot'n'. P.S. - Hamiltom Bowen lives about 8-10 miles from me, in the same county. I've met him but I've never visited his shop. Shame on me! He's got a great reputation. ..........Widder

I think LEE makes a roll crimp die for the 460, BUT.... the specific die that I have actually says: 'LEE Collet Style Crimp Die, 460 S&W'. It specifically states... '460 S&W'. And, it is a 4 petal (4 sections) die. I like the looks of the crimp and I should find out tomorrow its effectiveness on some good ole 460 reloads. ..........Widder

First, a little background info: In loading up some .454 Casull and 500 S&W ammo, I use an excellent ROLL crimp die that came with each set of dies, plus I had a good 'LEE factory crimp' die to use for the .454 Casull also. BOTH of those 'stout' reloads maintained their proper OAL while firing numerous other rounds thru the revolver. Now for my 460 S&W reloads. I'm gonna be testing my new LEE 'collet' style crimp die on some of my ammo AND I will also test my ROLL crimp on the same type loaded ammo. I'll be eager to see which style of crimp might work best under 460 recoil. My loads will be 300 grain XTP's and 40.0 LilGun. I measure and mark one piece of ammo, put it in the revolver with ONLY ONE other round, which is then fired. Then I measure the marked round. I repeat this process for 5 fired rounds and make notations of OAL of the marked round between each firing. I've never used a 'collet' style crimp before so I'm eager to test it out. Do ANY of the Wire Pards have experience with the collet style die? THANKS ..........Widder

Well, the bee's are just being a bee and the fire ants are just being a fire ant. ..........Widder

Yellowjackets: Ah, another Widder method of fun. Leave em alone..... for a little while. If you got a neighbor whose dog is a nuisance and barks all the time, you try to lure that dog over to the yellow jacket nest. YEEHAW..... what a show. Then later... scorch em. I've actually encountered a stirred up nest of YJ's where you could see the masses of them swarming over their nest entrance. And the swarm was about 2 ft high and they swarmed in an 18" diameter method resembling a tornado. I took my shotgun with #8 & #9 shot and would shoot ONE round and you could visibly see a hole thru that swarm........... but only for a few seconds. Then more YJ's would come out of the nest to increase the swarm again. That swarm lasted thru about 8 shots before I ran out of shells. There must have been 000's. of those YJ's in there cause I wiped out a bunch of them about every 30 seconds or so as the swarm replenished itself. On a side note: If you try to wipe out a YJ nest without using chemicals, like spray or gasoline, you can revisit the nest the next morning and if there are skunks in your area, the nest will likely be dug open and most of the comb eaten. They love that larvae and/or the comb. ..........Widder

Howdy JEDI Creeker. I don't have a comment on match difficulty vs simplicity, but I do agree with Capt BB. But personally speaking, it ain't the match that is befitting a Championship but rather the competition that makes it a worthy event. And as we know, the big matches usually brings out some of the top shooters from everywhere. ...........Widder

Well, it spring time and the Carpenter Bees (wood bore bee) have once again decided to make my deck a 'holy place'. BUT, once again, my fully automatic air soft rifle has declared my decks a 'No Fly Zone'. As you've already guessed, my spring time game of entertainment is airial combat training with my air soft against those carpenter bees. THEY ARE FAST.....and can maneuver faster than you realize. But one thing for sure, they have a low tolerance to pain, especially with a small pellet traveling at 375 fps make contact with their fat little body. Let the War Games begin! ..........Widder

How PR. Its kinda like that rich man who had 3 girl friends and couldn't decide which one to marry. Girl friend #1 was beautiful, as were all of them. But she was well educated and had a good, secure job. Her dad owned his own diamond mine down in Africa. She even knew how to drive a straight shift pick up truck. Girl friend #2 was might fine and had one of them 'take a 2nd look' type walks as she strolled thru the shopping malls. PLUS, she was talented in music of all kinds and a great dancer. She had inherited a little money which she turned into a successful business..... AND had spent a good amount of her money on buying the rich man some fine golf clubs and membership in his favorite golfing spot. She knew how to please him. Girls friend #3 had eyes of an Angel. Her smile could melt any mans heart. She had a sweet Southern accent that enhanced her Southern charm. She knew the difference between the sound of a whippoorwill, bull frog or cricket on a warm summer night. She was also kinda rich compared to most folks and drove one of them Audi sports cars. But also loved sitting on the river bank fishing and sipping on a cold drink while her long hair flew in the breeze. Guess which one he married? The one with the biggest hooters. ..........Widder

NICE..... that 629. I almost picked up the 629 'competition' I think its called..... or competitor. But couldn't decide if I wanted it or the Stealth Hunter model instead. Sooooo, I bought an H&K .45. I already got the Anaconda and basically don't shoot the .44 as much as other revolvers. ..........Widder

This thread has generated some good stuff and some good stories. Thanks everyone. I still enjoy my .22's, rifles and pistols. And for now, I'm waiting for my 460 brass to arrive, work up a few 'thunder boomers', and carve a few new ditches into the back hillside. Of course, the glove and wrist wrap will be dress code for the day...... ..........Widder

3 ft.......... WOW, I really like that. And you look like a pretty big feller but that recoil surely got your attention. I wouldn't shoot a 700 grainer because those 450 grainers was about all I wanted to deal with. ..........Widder

Other than personal example and testimony, I ain't sure there is a good way to prepare someone for their first experience with the 500. Heck, I love big bore revolvers and pistols. My Ruger SBH's are loaded with hot .45 Colt hand loads. My .44 mags are loaded close to max for my Anaconda. Even my 1911's are on the potent side because I've had 3 of them set up for the 460 Rowland, which is rather stout also. And, I have owned and shot a few .454 Casull revolvers. But nothing I have ever shot prepared me for the kick of that 500. I'm just glad it belongs to somebody else to play with in the future. I'll be loading up some home brewed 'thunder boomers' for ole TW to shoot when I take it back. Some 450 grainers with a full load of LilGun should humble the ole boy. ..........Widder

Henry. I think the model number is H001. The Golden Boy Youth might be too heavy if he is a small kid so you'll want to look at the standard 'Youth' model. ..........Widder

TFJ, I have the 5" (w/comp) 460 mag but I haven't worked up any reloads yet. It shouldn't be as punishing as the 500 and I will probably limit my bullet weight to 300 and 325 grainers. You surely have an impressive list of big bore hand cannons. ..........Widder

UPDATE: Well, I fired off 55 rounds this week with the 500. All my load data was from Hodgdon manual and LEE manual. Basically, their load data mirrors each other. Bullet were the 325 gr Barnes XPB and a 450 grain hard cast gas-check. Powders were Enforcer, AA9, H-110 and LilGun. Best and consistent performance was obtained using H-110 and LilGun with both bullet weights. A good ROLL crimp kept the bullets in perfect place. All my loads were established at the starting load data. None were at the Max amount. Even at the 'starting' load data, it was necessary for me to wear a glove AND wrist wrap. And those 55 rounds were fired over a 4 day period. The 500 is a beast. To my best guess, I didn't develop any fal.....falin.....falinch.....flinch. But it sure makes me studder..... ..........Widder

How do WE (the Wire Pards) really know you are the REAL Pat Riot? The scammers might now have access to your SASS Wire connections. And how do you know if I'm the real Widder? Is ELON really a Borg? ..........Widder

Hey Pards, admittedly, I fired 2 rounds on Sunday without a glove/wrist wrap. But the last couple days, I've fired about 30 rounds using a small padded glove and wrist wrap with 'little' discomfort. I didn't develop any flinch and was steady enough to use a chronograph without blowing it up..... ALSO, I wore plugs AND muffs. Its loud. The 500 I shot has the comp'd 4" short barrel, which probably didn't help with recoil much. ..........Widder