The Rainmaker, SASS #11631

Great info, Thanks PWB

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They don't seem to be, at least running my finger across them and running the cylinder, to be high and the dent in them should definitely have set them off. I will have a look next time it happens to see if they have been fired. Thanks.

A Progressive THEN a Regressive??? And you give ME grief! You're pure evil!

I really don't think the old primer or seating of a new one is the issue. I check every single round I load in a cartridge checker before they get boxed and look at all of the primers to make sure none get flipped (yes, my Dillon does that once in a while). When I load the cylinders, I give em a spin to check for high primers before setting on the empty chamber. I did not always do this but it doesn't take but a second and removes another potential problem. I'm convinced the primers are just junk and even after a couple firing pin hits and a good dent, they remain unfired. No pop, no pfft, nothing. I would think that in the interest of safety, due to the whole hang-fire thing mentioned, I'd have to call malfunction and ground it; even though I reloaded and finished the string.

If I did not reload in the 6th chamber and took the miss for the round that did not go off, I would definitely call the malfunction, but my question had to do with if I did load a 6th round and the round that did not go off (not the same as unfired, in my opinion) is still in the cylinder. Boy, that oughta set it off!

Stage instructions do not say which target to start on OR give you a choice of either end... start on any of the three.

But there WAS a fired round when I pulled off my belt and fired for the round that did not go off. maybe this would never come up... and maybe it would.

As a stage writer, you need to be CLEAR (well, as clear as you can anyway) and try to respect the different classes as best you can. When a shooter has choices about where they can start or which direction they will go or what order they will shoot a scenario such as this, as a spotter, you can ask how they intend to run the stage, so you will be prepared. Now, they don't HAVE to tell you and sometimes some stages are a little tricky to spot for, especially if you have a very fast shooter or someone who challenges spotters, such as a gunfighter/Outlaw that double-cocks (fires). You just have to do the best you can and if you're not sure... its a hit.

I don't really think any of the above apply; the guns (yes, both my pistols and my rifle have experienced dud primers) have been modified and the pistols, specifically, set off CCIs and Winchesters regularly with no problems... until recently. BTW, due to supplies, I have started into a supply of Remingtons. I have not pulled the primers to check if they have been fired ( I will when it happens again) but they all have big dents in them where the firing pins have struck them. Not really my question though; I get some primers are garbage. My question is whether I would call a malfunction and ground the pistol after reloading into the sixth chamber and finishing the string, know the bad primer round is still in the gun. Thank you

Been having some bad primers lately; do the go-around once, twice and still no bang. Sucks the primers have gone up so much and I'm getting more bad ones than I ever had. So, it occurred to me, what if I knew I'm having this problem, do the once-around then open the gate, pull one off my belt and fire to complete the pistol string. Would I be correct in calling a malfunction and laying the pistol down and proceeding; even though I've completed the pistols correctly? Think I know, just wanna get some feedback. Thanks. RM

How can you mandate a hit? "Each target must be HIT with at least one round." This directly gives a P for a miss. Are you directing the shooter to reload on the clock in order to make a hit and avoid a P? There are many ways this can be engaged, as have been stated and yes, I said "engaged". In the OP, the shooter ENGAGED the targets per the stage instructions and missed one of them; started and ended on P3... MISS and no P.

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I would say that is a pawl/cylinder ratchet issue. When I recently installed a free-spin pawl, I had to "tune" the pawl lower step by filing it down gradually until all chambers cocked satisfactorily by gently pulling the hammer back to full cock. If set up right, there should be no need to force it into battery. Randall at Power Custom (https://powercustom.com/store/index.php?main_page=contact_us&zenid=281kptogoup0tnatec75hov9b1) is a great resource and can get you on the right track, whether an adjustment needs to be made or parts replaced. If you weren't in Aussie land, I'd tell you to call him, but his contact in the attached should work too. Great folks!

Sounds like the cocking force is the issue. You could have the pawl tuned to get all of the chambers to cock the same way, even with light force but a good firm hammer pull should do it.

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If you want to speak with the "Horse's Mouth", you can call Power Custom @ (573) 372-5684 and Randall will talk you through what exactly you need. It may take a bit for him to get back with you, but he's a great guy and has all the Ruger go fasties.

As was mentioned, you cannot judge intent, only objective results and judge that against established rules and, in this case, the stage instructions. 5 pistol KD with 10 rounds and a dump. All pistol KD down and no misses on the dump... clean pistols. 10 rifle KD with 10 rifle shots. All 10 rifle KD down... clean rifle. Yes, it "appears" the shooter had a miss on a pistol KD by hitting a rifle KD, BUT stage instructions say misses will only be assessed for pistol KD left up and dump misses... none of either. Yes, it "appears" the shooter had a rifle miss and fired at that KD again to take it down. 10 rounds were fired and all rifle KD are down... clean again. It is MUCH easier to look at this later and analyze and reanalyze (and reanalyze) but the ROs are to give the benefit to the shooter and you have to look at what the results are and compare to stage inst first. Clean

I use KD for most of the monthlies I write and usually have SG makeups. 10 targets (5 plate and 5 KD. "ATB, with rifle engage all targets once each... (pistols next, doesn't matter). If needed with SG, engage any KD remaining. Note: Rifle misses on the KD will not be misses unless left up." If you used a dump after the KD, I'd say " engage KD until down with remaining rounds on the dump target. Note: Misses on KD will not be misses unless left up; misses on the dump will be scored as misses." Just how I do it.

"ONLY STANDING BOTTLES OR MISSES ON THE DUMP PLATE COUNT AS MISSES." This trumps SASS rules for misses such as wrong type target hit (pistol vs rifle), as they are specific stage instructions. Yes, the instructions could be better but since all KD are down (no standing bottles) and all dump rounds were hits, shooter is clean.

P... for the stage writer! They can do a better job with instructions. For the shooter? Clean, next. All KD are down and no misses on the Dump.

Both great for SASS; be good to get more exposure like they provided on national TV.