The Rainmaker, SASS #11631

I would think SASS HQ would have resources (or a POC) tailored exactly to this... or they should. There are many "firearms experts", instructors in their field that know little to nothing of single action revolvers and lever action rifles other than what they've seen on TV or what Ol' Uncle Bubba told them. Usually an education is in order, to include actual demonstrations. It absolutely blows peoples' minds that some of our top shooters can out shoot someone with a semiauto. The terms cold range, loading table officer and ULT officer should be emphasized in order to get them to understand that even though our processes are different, they are no less safe. Education in a manner they can understand is key.

Great info, Thanks PWB

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They don't seem to be, at least running my finger across them and running the cylinder, to be high and the dent in them should definitely have set them off. I will have a look next time it happens to see if they have been fired. Thanks.

A Progressive THEN a Regressive??? And you give ME grief! You're pure evil!

I really don't think the old primer or seating of a new one is the issue. I check every single round I load in a cartridge checker before they get boxed and look at all of the primers to make sure none get flipped (yes, my Dillon does that once in a while). When I load the cylinders, I give em a spin to check for high primers before setting on the empty chamber. I did not always do this but it doesn't take but a second and removes another potential problem. I'm convinced the primers are just junk and even after a couple firing pin hits and a good dent, they remain unfired. No pop, no pfft, nothing. I would think that in the interest of safety, due to the whole hang-fire thing mentioned, I'd have to call malfunction and ground it; even though I reloaded and finished the string.

If I did not reload in the 6th chamber and took the miss for the round that did not go off, I would definitely call the malfunction, but my question had to do with if I did load a 6th round and the round that did not go off (not the same as unfired, in my opinion) is still in the cylinder. Boy, that oughta set it off!

Stage instructions do not say which target to start on OR give you a choice of either end... start on any of the three.

But there WAS a fired round when I pulled off my belt and fired for the round that did not go off. maybe this would never come up... and maybe it would.

As a stage writer, you need to be CLEAR (well, as clear as you can anyway) and try to respect the different classes as best you can. When a shooter has choices about where they can start or which direction they will go or what order they will shoot a scenario such as this, as a spotter, you can ask how they intend to run the stage, so you will be prepared. Now, they don't HAVE to tell you and sometimes some stages are a little tricky to spot for, especially if you have a very fast shooter or someone who challenges spotters, such as a gunfighter/Outlaw that double-cocks (fires). You just have to do the best you can and if you're not sure... its a hit.

I don't really think any of the above apply; the guns (yes, both my pistols and my rifle have experienced dud primers) have been modified and the pistols, specifically, set off CCIs and Winchesters regularly with no problems... until recently. BTW, due to supplies, I have started into a supply of Remingtons. I have not pulled the primers to check if they have been fired ( I will when it happens again) but they all have big dents in them where the firing pins have struck them. Not really my question though; I get some primers are garbage. My question is whether I would call a malfunction and ground the pistol after reloading into the sixth chamber and finishing the string, know the bad primer round is still in the gun. Thank you

Been having some bad primers lately; do the go-around once, twice and still no bang. Sucks the primers have gone up so much and I'm getting more bad ones than I ever had. So, it occurred to me, what if I knew I'm having this problem, do the once-around then open the gate, pull one off my belt and fire to complete the pistol string. Would I be correct in calling a malfunction and laying the pistol down and proceeding; even though I've completed the pistols correctly? Think I know, just wanna get some feedback. Thanks. RM

How can you mandate a hit? "Each target must be HIT with at least one round." This directly gives a P for a miss. Are you directing the shooter to reload on the clock in order to make a hit and avoid a P? There are many ways this can be engaged, as have been stated and yes, I said "engaged". In the OP, the shooter ENGAGED the targets per the stage instructions and missed one of them; started and ended on P3... MISS and no P.

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