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A gamers is a shooter who reads, understands the instructions and then shoots the stage as close to the edge without breaking any rules. A cheater is a shooter who does the same as above but crosses the line beyond the instructions and rules. A gamer is a competitor who finds the shortest path through any stage and makes transions extremely smooth. I personaly admire the gamers. The other not so much if at all.

Anyone who plays the game different than the way I think it should be played. (Yes, that was major sarcasm. But that’s actually how the term originated.)

1) Shooter stages cocked rifle with live/unfired round in the chamber. SDQ for moving from the LT to the stage w/rifle in that condition. SDQ for staging rifle in that condition (as soon as it leaves the shooter's hands) = MDQ for “Two SDQ violations on the same stage” – SHB p.24 2) Shooter stages cocked rifle with empty chamber. SDQ for staging the rifle with the hammer cocked (as soon as it leaves the shooter’s hands). No additional penalty for "changing location" (moving from the LT) under the rule change. 3) Shooter has cocked rifle "in hand" to start. Drop the hammer If chamber empty = NO CALL If chamber loaded = SDQ Applicable rules: - Staging or discarding a long gun containing a live round in the chamber (once it leaves the shooter’s hands). - … - Changing location/moving with a live round under a cocked hammer or firearm with the hammer down on a live round. - Changing location with a long gun with the action closed and the hammer cocked (exception for rifle from the loading table to the stage with no round chambered). SHB p.23 "STAGE DISQUALIFICATION PENALTY" Safety & Handling Conventions – Rifles - Rifles may be staged with the magazine loaded, action closed, hammer fully down on the empty chamber (NOT the safety notch), with the muzzle pointing in a safe direction (adheres to the 170° rule). SHB p.15 Cocked – hammer not fully down (full, half-cock or safety notch). Hammer down – hammer fully down at its final resting position. SHB pp.44-45 “Glossary of Terms”

Spotting is a physical exercise. You will need to move - spotting with your rear end on a stool is not allowable. Spotting is a mental, visual, auditory, deductive and learning process. Mental: You have to know the stage and target order and ALL possibilities to engage it. Visual: You will have to watch for hits - watch for non hits - watch for bullet strikes off target. Auditory: Listen for strikes - listen for non strikes - know which plates ring and which are dead. Know that rebar sounds different than plate. Deductive: A bullet strike in the dirt 30 degrees off the firing line is likely not a miss, but probably a edger/ ricochet. Learning: Just because a shooter does something differently than you would have doesn't always mean its wrong. And lastly is the speech I always give as a Posse Leader: Every shooter here is not expecting to win a championship or even place in category. But EVERY shooter here is hoping to do the very best they are capable of. And if they are trying to do their very best - then they deserve your very best effort to support that. If you cannot give them your best - hand off the duty.

If the thought, "I think" ever enters a spotters mind, then IT'S A HIT.

Unsafe for whom? No one is and no would ever consider forcing anyone to do anything they feel is unsafe. Every shooter should know and abide by their own limitations. But to limit others because of our own shortcomings or inabilities is wrong.

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As my grandmother, who was born in 1887, was a seamstress, I would be one too. Here she is at age 18.

Eighty years ago this winter, a freezing Finnish farm boy took aim at the unstoppable Red Army — and became the greatest sharpshooter the world has ever seen. Simo Häyhä, right, and Colonel Svensson, who awarded Häylä a rifle and a certificate for his contribution to the Winter War, 1940. It took several years for Häyhä to recuperate from his wound. The bullet had crushed his jaw and removed most of his left cheek. Nonetheless, he made a full recovery and became a successful moose hunter and dog breeder after World War II, and even hunted with Finnish President Urho Kekkonen. However he was also met with hate and even death threats. He spoke only sparsely about the war. He was asked in 1998 how he had become such a good sniper: "Practice." He was asked in 2002, just before his 96th birthday, if he regretted killing so many people. He replied, "I only did what I was told to do, as well as I could." Häyhä spent his last years in Ruokolahti, a small municipality located in southeastern Finland near the Russian border. Häyhä died in a war veterans' nursing home in Hamina in 2002 at age 96. He was buried in Ruokolahti. Häyhä shooting at the Simo Häyhä Sniper Competition in Sotinpuro, Finland, 1978. (Photo courtesy Tapio Saarelainen)

The "affordable care act" is an income redistribution scam, it has nothing to do with health care. I work in the medical industry, 80% of costs go to administration. HIPAA compliance has created another level of bureaucracy, and health care costs have risen accordingly. I've yet to see anyone steal medical records. This is someones idea of job creation and we all have to foot the bill.

Which is a crying shame because they do yeoman's work. Any outfit with the unofficial motto, "You have to go out. You don't have to come back" is going to have some very dedicated and motivated people in it. The USCG has to fight a lot of its history. Started off as re'noooers, then merged with the Life Saving Service, got the Light House Service tacked onto it, then became part of the Dept. of Transportation.All that while still liable to be pressed into the US Navy in time of war. Escort duty during WWI, along with shore patrol. In WWII, escort, coastal security, driving landing craft in the PTO, more escort duty.Some good reading here: https://www.usni.org/.../coast-guards-world-war-ii-cruciblehttps://www.nps.gov/.../extContent/wapa/coast_guard/cg1.htmBut all that gets overshadowed by the US Navy.Somewhat the same story for the US Merchant Marine. Those convoys carried a lot of USMM crewmen.http://www.usmm.org/ww2.html https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/merchant-marine-were-unsung-heroes-world-war-ii-180959253/

I miss him too. There was a "feel" on the Wire back then that we've seem to have forgotten. Waimea

I feel when most people say it it's non complementary almost derogatory term.I think of a gamer as being someone that has figured out a better or quicker way then what the majority thought of.

Try goggling "bullet lube" It turns nasty real fast GW

Some shooters when they hear others say, here comes a gamer, reply ,no here comes a thinker.

Who you callin' pesky? Dang smokyless gamers...

Just remember you are there to have fun! So enjoy chatting with the other spotters as much as you can. Talk things over with the other spectators as you watch and critique the shooter. If you do miss something, be sure to look at the other spotters to see what they scored. If it is sunny, be sure to wear dark glasses and keep your hat down to block the sun as much as possible. If possible, be close to the timer operator, since he or she is a buddy and you can bump into them sometimes. Make sure you are on the firing line to get the best place to see everything. Be sure to watch the T.O to ensure they are doing things correctly.

#1 Treat the shooter the way you want to be treated. We owe each and every shooter our full, undivided attention. There's plenty of time to josh around, mingle, catch up with old friends, etc. When there's a shooter on the line and you're spotting is NOT the time to do those things. #2 Tell the Timer Operator what YOU saw. One of the things I detest most from spotters is for them to look around at the other spotters before they give their input. Tell me what YOU saw. I'll poll the other spotters. #3 Tell me what you SAW I don't care about what you think might have happened. Tell me what you without a doubt in the world actually SAW happen. #4 Do not argue with other spotters Just because someone else saw something different than you did is no reason for you to feel insulted. They had a different angle so very well could have seen a hit or miss that you didn't see. I'm the Timer Operator. I'll sort out the difference. That's why I get the big bucks. #5 Let me know when you leave If it's your turn to go shoot don't simply walk away and leave me hanging. Let me know before hand that I need to get another spotter or that someone else has relieved you.

01/13/2020 pm. "I was not able to see my angel today because I am away for work. This report comes from family and friends. Michele had a very alert and active day. They tell me they got some smiles and other expressions from her. Her friend Betty was brushing her teeth and got Michele to help again by placing her hand on the brush. Michele played quite a bit with her wolf toy. All her vitals are good so yet another positive day. I will take these baby steps all day. Keep up the good work prayer warriors. Good night and God bless."

When the term was first coined it was most definitely NOT complementary. Over the years it's become more of a joke. There are still a few who grumble about gamers in a derogatory way but they're few and far between these days. If you get called a gamer at a match now it'll most likely be in a lighthearted manner.

The Steamboat Inspection Service merged into the USCG. It was known to be run by the most corrupt national civil servant in history, Dickerson N. Hoover, the brother of J. Edgar!!! Now, the USCG has chosen the Sea Scouts, BSA to be its youth program. IMHO, that makes the Coast Guard awesome!!!

If I read the Traveling Rule correctly, BOTH feet would have to move while the gun is cocked in order to earn the penalty.

No, no need to insult them.

I don't know Dave - I think it's easier to take a young relative with you to push your gun cart

I GOT HIM ON THE PHONE THIS MORNING!! He’s as fine as he can be and sounds really really good!! We talked for about ten minutes and one or the other of our phones dropped out. He called me back!! We talked ‘til they came to get me for therapy and we’re planning to go see Lumpy and some of our other Missouri friends one weekend after the dust settles. He said to tell all of ya’s thanks for thinking about him!! Anybody who would like to try to contact him can PM me. He doesn’t always answer, but I know he’d get a kick outta’ hearing from some of you. Hey! Doc! What’s this about some “lucky hat”???

That ain't goin' nowhere.

High Spade, To clarify even further, we do not mean 50% membership out of your entire home range. If you have 10 members within your SASS Affiliated club (that shoot your monthly matches etc.) and all 10 are SASS members, then you have 100% membership. Please feel free to give me a call here at the SASS office; 505-843-1320, to discuss this further or email me at ruby@sassnet.com. Best Regards, Ruby Ruthless #105922 SASS Club Administrator

I agree with TC as that being the most important aspect. I would add don't be afraid of moving. Often times different angles provide a different picture. Personally I try to get a similar view as that of the shooter and follow them as best as possible. Sometimes that isn't possible, so I try to get the best picture I can that allows me to see any potential hit or miss and may have to move positions every gun string. It's also a good idea for spotters to be apart and not clumped together. This kind of goes along with the edger thread someone started. If there is an edge on the left side of a target, the view from the right might look like a perfectly clean miss i.e. no target movement, no hit sound, and dirt kicked up behind. But from the left you might barely see the paint scrape off the edge.

I am a leather guy and a retired history teacher. I found the links Garrison Joe attached very informative and interesting. Thanks!

Ok... I stopped in at Grafs retail store and spent some money. I asked about the change from Schetzen to Goex. The salesman didn't know what I was talking about. He opened the black powder box and got out a bottle of Grafs that said, sure enough, Made by Goex. I asked if he had any of the old bottles and he pulled out one and it had made by Wano. He had no explanation. A guy came out of the back that you use to have to get black powder from. I pose the question to him. His reply was it was a purchasing decision. Goex had a better price. I asked if they had any of the old stock left and he said no. (You my get another answer)

I ardently hope that MO stays a full Red state. As a long time resident of the PRK, I remember when we were Red. I also remember when NV, AZ, CO and TX were red. Most of the geographic area of VA is red, but the concentration of D.C. bureaucrats in the north end, and the welfare voters in Richmond swung the entire state to Blue. This also holds true for the PRK, TX, ID, AZ, CO and others. The big welfare cities set the direction (and laws) for the entire state. Here in the PRK, they just discovered a "computer glitch" (read: a "lie") changed 250,000 voter registrations to Democrat. I've been in the computer business since June 27, 1974.... Computers corrupt records or lose them... but they do NOT change checkboxes and data fields to "democrat" as a "glitch". This outright fraud. And like every other political outright fraud, it will go unpunished. The vocal minority you mention are frauds. They change the rules, "find" and "harvest" votes, and move the goal posts in the middle of the game.

So we dumb down to the lowest common denominator? Where do we stop? Because, I assure you; there are some within our game that are nearly incapable of movement, counting, handling projectile weapons or even driving to the range in the first place. But we don't do away with the game because of them. I'm really not trying to be insulting - I just question any philosophy that advocates punishing everyone; because some will exercise poor judgement.

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Years ago there was a similar thread on the Wire, and someone said we should not ever use the term, “gamer”. Shoshone Slim replied gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer, gamer He passed several years ago. I miss him.

From Omaha Beach to Iwo Jima, the great amphibious invasions of World War II were made possible by a humble plywood boat. Now, the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps want to bring back what it calls a “21st century Higgins Boat.” The problem is that amphibious landings have become a dicey proposition: long-range anti-ship missiles fielded by Russia, China and even armed groups like Hezbollah, make it too hazardous for amphibious assault ships to venture closer than 50 or 100 miles to shore. At the same time, the Marine Corps’ attempt to replace its 40-year-old amphibious assault armored vehicles with a new generation have run into snags, such as the vehicles—which can’t swim long distances or in rough waters—having to be ferried close to shore by another vessel. So the Navy wants “connectors” that can ferry material to the landing zone. “This platform would enable the delivery of smaller land vehicles, weapon systems, fuel bladders, water, and electric generation equipment,” according to the Navy research proposal. “These payloads could be offloaded to support long-term advanced naval bases or operated from the watercraft to support short team Expeditionary Advanced Bases (EABs). The modular payloads could also include unmanned aerial systems (UAS) and unmanned underwater systems (UUS) launchers that could deliver unmanned systems distant from the shoreline.” The landing craft, known by the combative name of SHARC (Small High-Speed Amphibious Role-Variant Craft), should be capable of carrying 5 tons of payload. It should also have a speed of at least 25 knots, and a range of at least 200 nautical miles. It will be about 13 feet long, with a ramp about 5 feet wide, and have a draft of less than 30 inches. Interestingly, the Navy specifies that SHARC should be capable of remote-controlled or autonomous operation, which suggests that the Navy and Marines are hoping that robot boats can handle the donkey work of ferrying materials from transport ships to the beachhead. It should be able to power modular mission packages, which raises the possibility that the boats themselves could become drone or weapons bases. Commercial vessels already meet some of these requirements, according to the Navy. These commercial craft “are essentially current versions of World War II Higgins Boats.” Not surprising, given that Andrew Jackson Higgins based his military boat on the shallow-draft work craft he built to service oil exploration in the Louisiana bayou.

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Proposed rule change: Eliminate the automatic Stage DQ penalty for leaving the loading table with a cocked rifle. In such instances, the shooter will be directed to point the rifle safely into the back berm, bring the hammer to full cock if it is in the half-cock/safety position, then pull the trigger. If no round is fired, the shooter will be directed to finish staging firearms in order to start the stage (No Call). If a round fires when the shooter pulls the trigger, the shooter will be assessed a Stage DQ and directed to proceed to the unloading table. PASSED by vote of the Territorial Governors. YES - 208 (75.3%) NO -- 68 (24.6%) Effective January 2020

I’ve done a bit of Cowboy Action Shooting with my pair of Hideout Model Schofields. You can see ‘em in action here: https://youtu.be/hex8FH1PBwU

I forgot, I could have been a piano tuner as I am today! Most piano tuners lived in the east though. Work had to be few and VERY far between for a tuner out west. There were piano players out west who would carry a tuning hammer and a tuning fork and some mutes to "tweak" the pianos they were playing in them dusty old saloons!

I'm not even sure you can cut up a Ruger they're so tough.

Lyman's 4th Ed Cast Bullet Handbook only lists 160 & 200 grain cast bullets for the 45 Colt in the pistol section. Of those powders you have listed they have loads for 231 & trail boss listed for both bullet weights. I've used a 185 grain bullet and utilized about the mid point between their starting loads for each bullet weight as a beginning to develop my own load. I quit using that bullet due to the rifle I was using at that time didn't like the 185 bullet I was using. And, except for BP, it doesn't like my 160 grain I'm using now... so I've stuck to the 200 weight RFN. And, my Colt SAAs like the 160 grain bullet in Cowboy45Special cases better than they ever like the 185 gr. in 45 Colt Cases. Plus, in the short case and the light CAS loads it's much easier to gain load density (and ergo, consistency). When I've hit them, I've never had a problem with KDs and the 160s in C45S @ just over 700 fps. Yes, I'm avoiding the question, as my suggestion is to quit fooling with the 45 Colt for pistols and go to the C45S case, available from Starline. If you don't want to buy... pm me an address and I'll send you 25 to test out... that's how much I like 'em.

Some shooters have splits in the teens. It's a hard call to say that he shot on the move.

I understood that Doc. Sorry if I seemed otherwise. It's just everybody says they want stage writers to offer more than stand and deliver - more than cookie cutter 10 10 4 - and then it seems everyone goes out of their way to find ways to penalize and debate the fun out of it. For someone, like myself, that takes pride in writing good, fun stages - it simply gets frustrating.

My investment banking hero is Roy Disney, Walt's brother. Can you imagine asking: "May I have several million dollars to build a kingdom for a mouse?"

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I'm not a leather worker, but I'll give you a couple of discussions on leather stiffening and hardening that use pretty traditional methods to get leather to hold it's shape. Two techniques stand out in these - stearic acid (an animal fat) melted into leather, and beeswax melted into leather. Several others such as rubbing alcohol, acetone, ammonia, PVA glue solution (Elmer's), boiling water, etc are also discussed and shown not to be very effective, or even destructive to the leather. OK, the references. The second one is heavy with historical leather goods that were hardened as far back as the 1500s (including powder flasks), and interesting for almost anyone just to see what can be done with leather! Tests of many techniques: https://medium.com/@jasontimmermans/a-comparative-study-of-leather-hardening-techniques-16-methods-tested-and-novel-approaches-8574e571f619 Historical leather hardening with hot water or stearic acid: http://makersgallery.com/rexlingwood/waterer.pdf Now how you are going to apply any hardening process to the lower shaft of a boot is quite a puzzle. Maybe some of the leatherworkers in the crowd can suggest that! Good luck, GJ