Rattlesnake Slim Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 (edited) Howdy SASS Shooters, Well, the finishing touches are on and we’re able to announce the 2025 End Of Trail side match lineup. Our intent was simply to get more people shooting and to give them more events to shoot. The changes involve the schedule as well as the categories and break down as follows: 1) All Speed, Plainsman, Warm-up, and Long Range matches will be on Wednesday. 2) All Clay Target matches will be on Tuesday. 3) Side matches will no longer be Cowboy or Wild Bunch specific. All registered shooters and conventioneers can shoot any match for which they have the proper firearms. Side match winners will be the overall winner of each event. 4) Firearms used must be Main Match legal in either the Cowboy or Wild Bunch match. Side matches planned for EOT 2025: 1) Long Range Long Range Revolver – 5 rounds * Long Range Pistol (1911) – 7 rounds Lever Action Rifle - Revolver or Pistol caliber – 10 rounds * Lever Action Rifle – Rifle caliber – 5 rounds * Take No Prisoners (description on EOT website) – 16 rounds Long Range Bolt Action – 5 rounds Sgt. York (description on EOT website) – 11 rounds Unknown Distance Rifle – 6 rounds Single Shot Rifle (smokeless) – 10 rounds * Buffalo Single Shot Rifle (BP) – 10 rounds * Quigley – 3 rounds Bill Williams Bison Single Shot – 10 rounds EDITED: *Revolver, Rifle - Pistol caliber, Rifle - Rifle caliber, and either Single Shot, or Buffalo Single Shot scores combine for Long Range Overall Winner 2) Speed Pocket Pistol – 5 rounds Derringer – 2 rounds Pump Shotgun – Start Empty – 6 rounds Pump Shotgun – Stoked – 6 rounds Hammer Double Shotgun – 6 rounds Double Shotgun – 6 rounds Lever Shotgun – 6 rounds Rifle – 10 rounds Pistol (1911) Two Handed – 14 rounds Pistol (1911) One Handed – 14 rounds Revolver – Two Handed – 10 rounds Revolver – Duelist – 10 rounds Revolver – Gunfighter – 10 rounds 3) Cowboy Clays (BP & Smokeless) Trap – 25 rounds Skeet – 25 rounds Sporting Clays – 50 rounds 4) Plainsman – 4 stages – Limited to 44 shooters Notes: Plainsman, Warm-ups, and Clay events have extra fees. Speed events may be repeated as desired, but Plainsman, Long Range, and Clays are shot once only for score. HERE IS THE LATEST LIST WITH AMMO COUNT AND DESCRIPTIONS: EOT SIDE MATCHES Edited August 18 by Rattlesnake Slim Update to website 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Eye Joe Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 I think that's a great line up of stuff. Very accessible too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustler, SASS #33316 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 I may be a slow shooter, but I am fast on the keyboard.... https://endoftrail.org/side-match-lineup/ I will also be asking/begging for volunteers to help run all of the side matches --- Please help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 14 hours ago, Rattlesnake Slim said: Pump Shotgun – Start Empty – 6 rounds Pump Shotgun – Stoked – 6 rounds Lever Shotgun – 6 rounds Is the Lever Shotgun Start Empty, Stoked, or both? Why do you require 6 rounds in a gun with a 5 round magazine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 14 hours ago, Rattlesnake Slim said: Take No Prisoners (description on EOT website) – 16 rounds Where? Can't find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlesnake Slim Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 The Lever Shotgun starts empty. We require 6 rounds in the pump for the same reason we require 6 rounds for a double that only holds 2. It's called a reload. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlesnake Slim Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 1 minute ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Where? Can't find it. 14 hours ago, Rattlesnake Slim said: We're working on updating our website now, but only one of us is smart enough (Rustler) so it might take a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 3 minutes ago, Rattlesnake Slim said: The Lever Shotgun starts empty. We require 6 rounds in the pump for the same reason we require 6 rounds for a double that only holds 2. It's called a reload. Thank you for the clarification. Makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustler, SASS #33316 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 This is what we have on the website now: https://endoftrail.org/long-range-events/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlesnake Slim Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 (edited) Take No Prisoners is on there too, under the Long Range tab. Edited August 15 by Rattlesnake Slim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Dot, 14911 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 Now that I’ve signed up for trap. I hope the hours will allow time to shoot it after Wild Bunch on Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlesnake Slim Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 Nothing is firm yet, but we plan to run the clay events until the clay target range closes at 3:00pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two Dot, 14911 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 That should give the WBAS shooters time for their events. Unfortunately this means I will not be able to help with clays this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Zook Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 Question on the Sgt. York - is the M1917 allowed? I was able to read the PDF for "Take no Prisoners", but unable to find one that addressed Sgt York? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlesnake Slim Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dr. Zook said: Question on the Sgt. York - is the M1917 allowed? I was able to read the PDF for "Take no Prisoners", but unable to find one that addressed Sgt York? Ok, I had to punt this one to the WB gurus. "The M1917 Enfield is allowed, but the M1917 Browning is not." I think they are making fun of me but I'm not sure . Sgt York rules will hopefully be added soon. Edited August 15 by Rattlesnake Slim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Zook Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 (edited) 21 hours ago, Rattlesnake Slim said: Ok, I had to punt this one to the WB gurus. "The M1917 Enfield is allowed, but the M1917 Browning is not." I think they are making fun of me but I'm not sure . Sgt York rules will hopefully be added soon. Thank you --- I think with the M1917 Browning, I could hit the broad side of the barn 😆 Edited August 16 by Dr. Zook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 5 hours ago, Rattlesnake Slim said: Take No Prisoners is on there too, under the Long Range tab. This sounds like fun. I just hope the targets are big enough to see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlesnake Slim Posted August 16 Author Share Posted August 16 Please note that Long Range 1911 Pistol is corrected to 7 rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Chapo Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 (edited) Bummer that my 03A3 is banned in the Bucky. I don't have a regular 03 sadly. Also not clear why my M12 is banned from the shotgun events but it is what it is. My cowboy shotgun doesn't have a tight enough choke to shoot clays. Edited August 16 by El Chapo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlesnake Slim Posted August 16 Author Share Posted August 16 8 hours ago, El Chapo said: Also not clear why my M12 is banned from the shotgun events but it is what it is. My cowboy shotgun doesn't have a tight enough choke to shoot clays. Any Cowboy or Wild Bunch main match legal firearm may be used in the side matches. If your M12 shotgun is legal for Wild Bunch it is legal for the side matches. On 8/14/2024 at 4:26 PM, Rattlesnake Slim said: 4) Firearms used must be Main Match legal in either the Cowboy or Wild Bunch match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Chapo Posted August 16 Share Posted August 16 3 hours ago, Rattlesnake Slim said: Any Cowboy or Wild Bunch main match legal firearm may be used in the side matches. If your M12 shotgun is legal for Wild Bunch it is legal for the side matches. I thought the same thing, especially because the side matches page say that the side matches are not WB or CAS specific and I thought the purpose was to be inclusive. Then I was on the shotgun events page and saw this gem: https://endoftrail.org/shotgun-events/ "The Shotgun events are held at the Ben Avery Clay Target Center. Black Powder and Smokeless categories. Any SASS Cowboy Action (not Wild Bunch) legal shotgun may be used in either category." At this point I'm considering not shooting the Wild Bunch because of this and delaying my arrival until Wednesday. My wife works until that Wednesday morning and if I can't fill my days before she can show up with side matches, I might as well just show up for the cowboy only, which works better for our schedule anyway. Although I really don't need an excuse to buy another gun so maybe next year I'll buy a "cowboy clays" gun. I was looking forward to the Sgt. York, but another 3 days on the road and my wife having to make a 12 hour round trip herself to join me at EoT is a tough sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlesnake Slim Posted August 16 Author Share Posted August 16 Yes, as I posted earlier, the website is in the process of being updated with the new info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Gardner Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 I hope on the Cowboy long range the awards will all be 3 place some have one others have three. The Bill Williams was only one place. If you can shoot a single shot rifle out to 700 yard and make good hits they should give out three places for awards. Make every thing the places Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Chapo Posted August 17 Share Posted August 17 9 hours ago, Rattlesnake Slim said: Yes, as I posted earlier, the website is in the process of being updated with the new info. Just a suggestion, but if you could post an approximate target size description on the long range stuff it'd be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlesnake Slim Posted August 17 Author Share Posted August 17 The Long Range targets, since they are only used for one day, are the last to be set. Therefore they are whatever is left over after setting the Cowboy and Wild bunch targets. However, at this time I don't think we have anything under 18". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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