Captain Bill Burt

Lol! That much money and you have to install the sights yourself?

For sure. It’s a question of when, not if!

LOL. Me speed? Never! I hear tell Kentucky has multiple versions of Sheriff Buford T. Justice and I don't want to meet any of them!

Anything beyond about 3 hours one way is a definite ‘maybe’ for me. Bowling Green is 5 hours one way!

I'm thinking: 4/8/21 South Carolina State 4/23/21 Alabama State 5/13/21 Georgia State 5/28/21 Mississippi State 7/2021? Maybe Black Gold 9/23/21 Maybe CaC 10/7/21 Tennessee State 10/21/21 South East Regional 11/5/21 North Carolina State All of those look pretty likely other than CaC and Black Gold, but hopefully.

Thanks Long Hunter. I’m fine with eliminating categories. Heck they can start with mine, 49er and I’ll shoot with Wranglers, or take both out and Cowboy is fine with me.

One of the interesting and fun things about SASS is the talent distribution. One match you could be shooting with a Cowboy, or Cowgirl, who runs stage times in the 30s and 40s and the next match you might be shooting with someone running in the mid teens. It may sound odd coming from someone who thinks there are too many categories, but perhaps a solution is to add one more. Several local clubs offer Shootist. Any SASS legal guns and gear, any age, any shooting style. Shooting style can be different from stage to stage as well. It’s intended for shooters who want to compete against other ‘fast’ shooters and whose goal is winning the match more than placing in a category. It would be interesting to see how a big match would work if shooter’s had to declare for a similar category to be eligible to win the overall.

As others have said, mine did the same thing and a new spring and arm fixed it.

They're fast when they're fulling charged, once they've discharged a bit they lose a lot of oomph. So basically, the lower the charge, the less power it has available. Meanwhile my small block Chevy V8 6.2 liter pumps out 455 hp and 455 tq as long as there's gas in the tank. As an added benefit, every time I crank it up I get looks from anyone nearby. I guarantee the Tesla doesn't get that.

I wonder who would be stupid enough to try to come in my house and determine what I'm doing in there. LOL, at some point you have to ask yourself, who do these people think they are and what relationship do they imagine they have with citizens?

Some people consider winning to be fun. The comment we hear a lot here on the wire that I wish would be retired is "I'm just in it for fun." I'm pretty sure all of us are just in it for fun. Some think old guns are fun. Some think BP is fun. Some think shooting really fast and winning a match are fun, but we're all in it for the same reason. Vent over. Back to the categories. There are too many. It's like participation awards. I shot a match recently and every person there 'won' except two people. I 'won' my category. Means nothing to me. I was second overall, my objective was first overall, THAT would have meant something to me. Doesn't happen very often, but I enjoy it when it does happen.

Or the skillet manufacturers knew round skillets used less material. Or both! Grandmas are smart that way.

Thanks Ringer and Dave! Fortunately Sharyn and I aren't hurting for primers.....yet. Back of the envelope calculation tells me we're good through 2021 without having to scale back, BUT, it's good to know that SR will work, and if I come across some I'll probably pick up a couple of bricks just to be safe.

So if I wanted to substitute SR for my .38 loads, 125 grain over 2.7 of Clays, I would be ok? What about hardness? Are SR as easy to pop as SP?

Are SR and SP primers interchangeable?

Then .449

4.49 ccs if you mean 45 grains. If you mean .45 grains then .0449 ccs

Yes, Circles contain the most area of any shape relative to circumference/perimeter.

So according to Kid Rich, the cost of shooting semi auto Pro Steel matches, Long Range matches, and Wild Bunch matches should be included in the start up costs for shooting SASS? @Kid Rich should we include the cost of the semi-auto carbine as well? What about IDPA, should we include the cost of those guns and that ammunition in the cost of shooting SASS?

Check your messages.

I know what Jimmy Spurs pistols cost, I have a pair. I didn’t say you could buy Jimmy Spurs equipment, I said you could buy slicked guns for those prices and I specifically stated SASS Vaqueros with lighter springs. Do a search for Cody Conagher 1873 and you’ll see new competition 1873s for less than $1,600. Yul Lose gun carts are awesome, but expensive. Using them to support your contention is like saying you can’t buy a car for less than $100,000 because that’s what Porsches sell for. John’s statement is about the cost of getting into the game for a new shooter. You’re correct that if a new shooter is going to buy the most expensive gun cart available, the most expensive guns he can find, the most expensive rig he can find, and shoot every big match and every side match including warmups black powder, Wild Bunch, etc, then my numbers are off. How many new shooters come into the game planning to do that? On the other hand, if the new shooter wants reliable competition guns and rig, a functional gun cart and to shoot SASS every weekend with a few big matches thrown in here and there, my numbers hold up. You’re intentionally twisting this by 1. Quote the most expensive gun carts out there 2. Quote one of the most expensive gun smiths out there. 3. Mention the ammo requirements for TWO people, you and your wife. 4. Bring in the cost of WB which has zero to do with the cost of SASS. You’ve proven a new shooter CAN spend that type of money to get in the game, but you haven’t proven they MUST spend that much.

Cody Conagher is selling 1873’s for less than $1,600. I think you can get a Fast Eddie (best in the business) SKB for less than $1,700. Ruger Vaqueros on GB for well under $2,000 a pair. Wolff spring kits cost what $30-40 for two? Guncarts are cheap if you’re buying for function. Heck I gave two away for free to new shooters. One was free to me and the other cost me $40. Both worked fine. 1 shooter, 52 matches a year, six stages per match at 20 rounds of metallic cartridge a stage = 6,240 rounds. 1 box of shotgun a match times 52 matches = just over 5 cases.

Better yet bring I’ll take my car and one of the naysayers can take a Chryler minivan, then we head to the track to see if equipment makes a difference.

I think the thread title is 'Better equipment makes you better' not the best gear makes a poor shooter great.

John I don't know where you got those numbers from, but I wish you had shopped around a bit because they're off by quite a bit. $10,000 to get in the game with competition guns, please. 1. Slicked up Uberti $1600 2. Set of Ruger SASS NMV plus spring kits $1500 3. SKB slicked up. $1400-$1500, call it $1450 4. Decent rig $600 5. Dillon SDB $400 6. 3,000 pieces of 38 brass $115 7. 1 lb jug of Clays $30 8. 5,000 125 grain bullets $220 9. 5,000 Federal SP primers $190 (if you could find them) 10. 4 cases of Featherlites $500 Total $6,605 That total includes enough ammo for almost a year of shooting depending upon volume. Exclude that and your cost of equipment is $5500, including a lifetime warrantied Dillon. Take your time and you could probably shave another $400-500 off that total. Those are all top caliber competition guns. Want the Rugers slicked up, dry fire them a few thousand times. You didn't own jeans before this? Western shirt? Boots? Come on, you can get all of those for less than $200. Used gun carts for less than $200 or make your own. You can still have everything you need and a years worth of ammo for less than $7,000. With regard to your last statement that I bolded, I have news for you ALL OF US are in this for fun. It's just our definition of fun may not be the same as yours.