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Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619

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  1. If he were charged with involuntary manslaughter (hard for me to imagine a greater charge being made), I think the main line of defense would be that his belief the gun was harmless was a reasonable one under the circumstances. The question of the objectivity of his belief that the gun was not loaded is quite separate from the issue of whether or not he should have checked for himself. Several reasons: There aren't supposed to be any live rounds on a movie set whatsoever. This is not like a shooting range, shooting match, or hunting, where the whole point is to have, handle, and use live ammunition. Those are the circumstances that gave rise to the expectations among shooters that individual checking is required. So the expectation is that the Western or cop movie set will be 'sterile', live ammo-wise. The production hired an armorer; an industry standard. That person is expected to have professional responsibility over all firearms handling issues. He was handed the revolver by the assistant director with the statement that it was a 'cold gun' ; i.e. checked specifically for safety and not loaded. I think it's enough to take it out of any criminal prosecution. Hard to imagine a prosecutor thinking he could prove a crime beyond a reasonable doubt.
  2. I think most of the commentary here is about Alec Baldwin, the reviled person, not about what happened. He won't be charged criminally because he had no intent to injure or kill, and because he has sufficient defenses that a county prosecutor is highly unlikely to charge him with a crime, under all of the circumstances. I hold no brief for him as a man, but 44 years of practicing law leads me to believe that that will be the case. Of course, if I'm wrong, I'll have to figure out how to cook that chapeau before I eat it. Somhow, I think that Stetson will remain intact.
  3. If he is charged criminally I will consume my Stetson bit by bit. Not because of 'assurances', which would never have been given. It's because whatever his negligence, he didn't intend to shoot her, he was handed the gun and specifically told 'cold gun' by the ass't director, there was an armorer on the set, and the presence of a live round under the circumstances on a movie set would not be anticipated. He acted in accordance with industry practice, even if prudence would have required him to examine the rounds himself. Pards are having a lot of fun hating this guy, and I don't like him, but he's not guilty of a crime. Of course he'll be sued, he knows it full well; that's what insurance is for. He never claimed he shouldn't be sued. He said the thought it was unseemly that a script reader and another hanger-on should sue for their 'emotional injuries' before the widower and father sued. I agree with him on that. It won't make any difference to the outcome, but it was ridiculous. I doubt he said anything he hasn't told the cops already so he had nothing to lose with the interview.
  4. My favorite Groucho Marx line: "You're only as old as the woman you feel."
  5. I've never said I never inhaled, and I never said I never had sex with that woman. Never. Never ever.
  6. Since we have at least 3 threads going, I'll add to this one that he said in the interview, which I just watched, that he 'cocked' the gun. He then said that he pulled the hammer back short of fully cocked, and released it, whereupon it fired. He denies pulling the trigger.
  7. In the full interview, which I just watched, he says he 'cocked' the gun, then specifically says he pulled the hammer back short of full cock, then released it, whereupon it discharged. He denies pulling the trigger.
  8. Just finished watching the interview. Personally, I'm not really interested in issues of Baldwin personally. Plenty here hate him; I don't like him, but I want to know what happened, not what I think. He said he pulled the hammer back, short of full cock, and released it, and then it discharged. He says he didn't pull the trigger.
  9. Nostalgia niche obviously and one that may well pay; it's buy one or two for old times sake, maybe. My granddad used 'em. We of all shooters should get the nostalgia angle!
  10. None of the news media discuss how the firearm works. There are innumerable cases of people unintentionally killing another with a firearm, and saying 'the gun just went off'; in their deep dismay they may even believe it. But, of course, they don't 'just go off'. Leaving aside animus against Baldwin personally, what are the scenarios? One, the most likely, he cocked the hammer and pulled the trigger. Another is that he cocked the hammer with his finger inside the guard, and slight pressure fired the gun. Many SAAs have a light trigger pull; I bought one that did and I put it aside until fixed-- very light. But then, he still would have had to cock the gun. Or it was handed to him cocked-- an ominous speculation. A person who knows little or nothing about these revolvers might well be ignorant of how light the trigger pull can be-- but the gun still has to be cocked. Here's a question for someone who knows more than me: are there scenarios where the gun can be fired on half-cock; i.e. someone puts it on half to load, then hands it off in that state? I'm assuming Baldwin didn't deliberately shoot the victim, whatever one may think of him otherwise.
  11. Maybe he thought he was going to be run over by the wheelchair. Some of those can spin on a dime, after all.
  12. It was a single action revolver from everything I've read, Colt or clone. So not only do you have to pull the trigger, you have to cock it first, as everybody here knows. So, two things. I didn't listen to the interview so I don't know if the cocking issue was discussed.
  13. I'll give his county a wide berth. Sirach 4:3 "Do not add to the troubles of an angry mind."
  14. Sudden death, sudden glory; as the old preachers used to say. Sad, indeed, but not so bad a way to go; full of years, fast, with family.
  15. My grandfather's 12 gauge Stirlingworth double. He won it in a turkey shoot about a hundred years ago, and he always brought it on bird hunts when I was a kid. He died 40 years ago; our dad had the gun, then one of my younger brothers owned it. That brother, Don, died suddenly and unexpectedly of a heart attack 7 months ago. His estate went to his family of course, except for a single specific bequest: he left that shotgun to me. That one will stay in the family!
  16. Congratulations! We have 12, and our first great-grandchild, a girl, was born in April. Life is good!
  17. Thus I used the phrase "internet, including social media". While the boundaries may be vague, I think of 'social media' per se to be Facebook, Instagram, all the unmoderated systems of direct cyber communication. Website discussion groups and message boards of course share a lot of the same features, but many of them are moderated by site owners. SASS in particular as an example. The owners banned political discussions long ago, because experience showed that, unmoderated, they always degenerated into name-calling. While I think the moderators here in the last couple of years have observed their own rule fairly weakly, they still do step in if things get heated. The other couple of subject-oriented websites I go to with some frequency are also strongly moderated. We can all go to dinner parties, with family or friends, and we can decide whether or not to toss out political or social opinions that we know are going to cause anger and upset. Or we don't have to. I've always wondered about the motives of those who do; who then sit back and enjoy the ensuing rancor. I'm blessed with a very large family that has never had an estrangement, one reason being that we don't do that-- ever. No credit to us; our parents inculcated it in us. Remember the social rule in the old days: no politics or religion at the dinner parties. Proverbs 6 suggests disfavor toward those who sow discord among brothers.
  18. Sorry, but why does anybody use the internet, including especially 'social media', to put up their idle opinions, political maunderings, half-baked pseudo-insights, etc. etc? The stuff that never used to get beyond ranting at the local tavern or diner. Even the local newspaper wouldn't print ravings. Is it fun to provoke family, friends (real ones), or to express some sort of solidarity with innumerable strangers? To me it's just all sowing of discord. Doesn't matter what 'side'. That's all it is.
  19. Like Robert Taylor as Walt Longmire. The quintessential American: a Wyoming sheriff. The thing that amazes me is that he, and many other examples, completely lose the Oz accent. Even a hint or echo of it would wreck the effect, but it never happens (unless in the outtakes....) Very impressive.
  20. Age 15. At school. It was a bad day.
  21. I suppose if I was on Facebook I'd make idle comments from time to time, too. That's one of several reasons I'm not and never have been.
  22. Officer Frank Drebin and Mr. Twice aren't bad, either:
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