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Garrison Joe, SASS #60708

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  1. In this case, the shooter would not have heard "Restart" either. For hearing impaired shooters, I will CEASE FIRE them by putting hand on gun or shooter and calling CEASE FIRE (and adding "Let's Restart You" when I get their attention and the adrenaline levels have calmed down). Shooter only owns the stage when the first round goes down range. That had not yet happened. Besides, I know of NO shooter who would want to take 10 misses in his rifle intentionally. This is part of guiding a shooter through the stage, IMHO. Good luck, GJ
  2. And I believe (as I stated) that when you override the rules for shotgun and you write the shotgun targets part to be shot AS IF THEY WERE SHOT WITH A RIFLE, taking away makeups, reloads for a failure to fire, and requiring a specific target order, then the rules that are written for rifle and revolver have to be adopted for the making up of a round not fired, because otherwise there would be no rule covering the situation. As always, when you start overriding some rules for a particular section of the stage, then you had better BE SURE you still cover ALL the cases of "what happens when some shooting failure" occurs. In this case, if you don't rely on the "exception choices" for other gun types, you end up having no rules really covering the exception cases. A Failure of a Round to Fire in this case. No where else in SASS rules do we penalize a shooter if a round does not fire, and they properly attempt to correct that by firing another round at the correct target needing to be hit. Good luck, GJ
  3. Same 4 options would apply as for ejecting a round from a lever gun, or having a failure to fire on a pistol round. http://www.oowss.com/SASS Rules Docs/Reload choices (edit Sept12).pdf The only choice that makes the shooter clean is (after having a failure to fire on #4 target) - to shoot #4 and #5 targets with his #4 and #5 shots fired, then load one and fire the 6th round on #6 target. Which is option #1 on the referenced "Recovery Technique" By writing the stage as they did, they overrode the ":Comstock" makeup convention, and essentially made the rifle or pistol failed to fire or ejected round rules apply. Good luck, GJ
  4. Especially since it was before first shot had gone down range: 1. The TO should have already known you didn't hear well. Even if it takes YOU telling him that. (It IS your responsibility to let the TO know if you can't hear someone yelling CEASE FIRE - because failing to obey a CEASE FIRE is a MDQ on you.) 2. The TO was certain you did not fire a round down range. So, as well as yelling "Stop," 3. A firm TO hand should have gone over your rifle or at least onto your shoulder to make sure you did not try continue. Thus you would get a restart since first round did not fire. All TOs should be aware of which of their shooters cannot hear, and let them know what "hand signals" may be coming if the shooter needs to be "safely guided through the conduct of the stage." Including CEASE FIRE and MUZZLE and probably also at least LOAD ONE (or two or three). The final light bulb that should go on for a TO is if he has issued a STOP or CEASE FIRE command, and the shooter is not complying immediately, he MUST get that shooter's attention by laying on a hand(s) or blocking shooter's movement. Good luck, GJ
  5. Every Scout meeting I've been in for last 25 years started with the Pledge of Allegiance and the Boy Scout Oath. In a good sized city. (And, they picked up EOT brass too.) I'm not sure any of our local clubs know the NM State pledge. But our Boy Scouts recited it during every flag retirement ceremony we did. Good luck, GJ
  6. Thanks, working from a tired memory. GJ
  7. Can also be caused in a 550 by the 2 tiny allen-socket screws that fasten that shell ramp to the frame coming loose and the ramp lip raising up. Keep those hard to find and hard to access screws tight (think loctite!). Good luck, GJ
  8. The shooter is calling a "malfunctioning gun" when he yells "squib". All that gets the shooter is avoiding a penalty for grounding the gun before it is empty of live rounds. An inaccurately-called squib by a safety officer (TO or spotter) is an obstruction to the progress of the stage, which the shooter then gets to reshoot, carrying forward and P or Safety penalties that had been earned before the squib was called. So, #1 - yes, a reshoot is granted. #2 - No, no reshoot. Shooter owns whatever unfired rounds the "claimed malfunction" prevented the shooter from firing. Each unfired round is scored as a round-not-fired (a miss). Good luck, GJ
  9. Here's what I PMed you yesterday asking about: I do have a couple of lesser-known guns that I would like to get a spare magazine or more for. Star Firestar .45 auto pistol Springfield Model 1922 .22 LR bolt action rifle (gun very similar to a 1903 Springfield action, but a .22 bolt action rifle taking a 5-round or even 10 round magazine) Good luck, GJ
  10. See my PM to you for a couple of mag wants. Thanks, GJ
  11. If loading for Wild Bunch matches, you need a power factor of at least 150, and better to "shoot for" about 165 PF. With a 200 grain slug, that means you need at least 750 FPS muzzle velocity! Your velocities are lower than most folks shoot for bullseye shooting, and certainly will not work a slide of a 1911. But, then, you may be shooting these from a revolver for cowboy matches, and you have much tamer power factors to meet there. In general, the size of primer should not make much difference in consistency. But it surely makes a difference keeping the two sizes apart when loading. Agree it's one of the worst hacks that ammo manufacturers have ever made - violating the SAAMI standard primer pocket size just to make "non-toxic" .45 auto rounds for indoor police shooting ranges. Good luck, GJ
  12. I placed an order with a major grip maker in February. They have been shut down since end of Feb as being non-essential. I would suppose many other smaller makers of specialized gun accessories are getting hit with similar "close or minimize workforce" requirements. Casting supplies - the demand from lots of folks (who previously never wanted to touch casting) exploded when reloading components got bought out in March and April. How many handles do you suppose most companies are set up to make in a month? WAY less than what the demand has been the last 6 months! You underestimate the buying power of American public when a big scare gets promoted from all corners of government, news and social media. Buy 20 10/22 magazines? Sounds like something EVERYONE would want to do, right? Right after they get the truckload of TP. Good luck, GJ
  13. Very easy to set a Pocket Pro (or other typical match timers) up to give you a start beep and a finish-by beep (called Par Time). That works for both dry fire and live fire. For dry fire, drop a half second off and practice until you beat the finish signal. Then reduce it again. With live fire, you can see splits on individual shots, and by a minor subtraction of a shot, calculate times for transitions. And, you have the same sound signal that you will hear in matches. Good luck, GJ
  14. Over last 20 years, large pistol primers have been a LOT easier to buy than small pistol, large rifle or (worst) small rifle primers during the 3 or 5 shortages we've seen. You are heading down a road to disappointment changing guns and cartridges because of lack of buying primers when they are available. Good luck, GJ
  15. Only if you think it does...... I've tuned up both types of toggle rifles for a top notch shooter before. Set them up to be almost the same feel. Both could run as fast or faster than that top shooter was able to run them in matches. Most of the difference comes from the 66 having a stock with more drop at the butt. So it fits a bigger shooter who stands upright a little better than a 73 does. And the 73 is a little more protection against an OOB. Folks shooting .357s in a a 73 are not doing themselves any favor. Shoot .38s with a long-enough nose once that rifle is fixed. Good luck, GJ
  16. "Mirowin" gun seems to be missing a rear sight.....something you took off? Good luck, GJ
  17. Or keep an eye out for a Charles Daly or Miroku 500. It's a "less special" Browning BSS (all made by Miroku) in the 1970s and 1980s. A fine gun, usually needs the automatic safety disabled, but then shoots very well. Often available very lightly used for $500. And does not have a barrel extension. Good luck, GJ
  18. Now that you shared THAT vital piece of info, it surely sounds like the lifter timing is off. Bent lever, bent lifter arm, worn lifter, weak lifter spring, all can contribute to this kind of problem. If you have had an out of battery discharge right before rifle started acting up, then a check for bent parts is overdue. THAT has NOT been my experience with Lassiter's turn-around on a gun repair for something actively being used by a good shooter! I know of several gun problems fixed in very short time. Good luck, GJ
  19. Because the cartridge return ramp is a little different. I have found I can make ANY toggle gun feed down to 1.400" with the correct return ramp angle. But, the lever has to do a little more work pushing the stack of cartridges back into the mag each stroke. That is why almost all toggle guns run better up around 1.53 to 1.55" OAL. Good luck, GJ
  20. 1.45" is a very Short OAL length for a non-modified 73 carrier to feed well. No, a '66 won't (on average) feed any better than a 73 toggle gun, since unmodified carriers are all shaped about the same. Test - Load up a few dummy rounds with no powder or primer. Stick several in the mag. Cycle slowly and see if your carrier pushes the SECOND cartridge back off the carrier and completely into the magazine as the carrier starts rising from the bottom of it's stroke. If the second cartridge rim catches even slightly on the shelf inside the carrier, the "cartridge return ramp" machined in the front face of the carrier is too steep. Making that ramp more shallow by filing and polishing is almost REQUIRED to feed 1.450" cartridges in most toggle guns! Do not file so much off that you break into the hollow cavity behind the ramp, though, or gun won't feed at all! The ramp gets reangled, not completely set back from the front of carrier. In other words, take material off the ramp at the top of ramp, and none at the bottom of ramp (the bottom surface of carrier), and tapered all the way in between. Your .45 and 44-40 ammo can't be loaded to that short an OAL without going to a real short-nosed slug, so that's why you have not seen this problem before. Second item that causes some feed glitches (especially with a fully loaded magazine) is a poorly shaped loading gate mortise. See details about how to check that and fix that on Pioneer Gunworks tech notes site, open the page about "Model 66 & 73 frame modification to improve feeding of the first round " https://www.pioneergunworks.com/technical-info/ Oh, and no real good ever comes from going to a smaller cartridge. Good luck, GJ
  21. Type of sights and style of holding/shooting the revolver have long been conflated in Cowboy action. So, we have ended up with titles of shooting styles and categories that don't quite make sense to a true Historian of the Old West. Wild Bunch, on the other hand. got the shooting style, competition category, and sights/pistol features neatly separated and logical. IMHO. Good luck, GJ
  22. Pull out your "regular" loading manual and take just about any of the loads at top end of "safe for single actions". I use 231 or Unique for loads like those, but there's 20 or so other powders that would do in a pinch. Good luck, GJ
  23. The hook on end of action slide that fits into bolt, or the screw that holds it in place, is broken. Because the bolt falls forward, it's not hanging on anything. The screw breaks on many guns. The Smith Shop has a heat treated tool steel replacement screw. Getting a broken screw out is a pain, and best left to a cowboy gunsmith. If you are in Arizona, Jim Bowie in Tuscon area can handle that real quick. Or Johnny Meadows, too. Or Squibber in Casa Grande. Arizona is where old 97s go to retire! Good luck, GJ
  24. If I have a chamber that is misbehaving (sticky ejection, etc), yes. Haven't had to do that to any of mine. I do have a chamber scraping tool since I use Cowboy .45 Spl cases in my .45 Colt chambers. I do try to remember to scrape the carbon out in case I want to ever shoot .45 Colt cartridges. I have been known to polish the throats if they are a little tighter than I like, though. Especially on Rugers. Good luck, GJ
  25. But rather hard to shoot a SASS match with them air guns, huh? Primers are short everywhere due to hoarding/panic buying in current civil/medical unrest. If we could all be civil and well, we would have primers, perhaps. Good luck, GJ
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