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Most calls made on the 170 rule will be somewhat contentious. Because it is a pure judgement call. And because it's a severe penalty. Because of the contentiousness, many ROs or spotters are VERY reluctant to call it until it becomes real obvious, or it degenerates into "other person covered by a barrel of a loaded gun" (which is what the 170 barrier is trying to prevent, of course). If you had good view of the gun and were paying CLOSE attention to the barrel position and it was obvious (not borderline), call a 170 violation and award the SDQ penalty. If there were doubts, hold your tongue and mention it to the shooter once he has cleared the line and put his guns away. A safety minded shooter will take that warning very seriously and you won't see a repeat. But if you do see it again, make the call mentioned above when it happens the second time. That is how I'd handle it. Good luck, GJ

By happenstance this turned up in my Facebook memories this morning, as I was waiting for the "Slow" thread to load. Got me thinking about life, the universe, and everything. Burned Biscuits - A lesson we all should learn. When I was a kid, my Mom liked to make breakfast food for dinner every now and then. I remember one night in particular when she had made breakfast after a long, hard day at work. On that evening so long ago, my Mom placed a plate of eggs, sausage and extremely burned biscuits in front of my dad. I remember waiting to see if anyone noticed! All my dad did was reach for his biscuit, smile at my Mom and ask me how my day was at school. I don't remember what I told him that night, but I do remember watching him smear butter and jelly on that ugly burned biscuit. He ate every bite of that thing...never made a face nor uttered a word about it! When I got up from the table that evening, I remember hearing my Mom apologize to my dad for burning the biscuits. And I'll never forget what he said, "Honey, I love burned biscuits every now and then." Later that night, I went to kiss Daddy good night and I asked him if he really liked his biscuits burned. He wrapped me in his arms and said, "Your Mom put in a hard day at work today and she's real tired. And besides--a little burned biscuit never hurt anyone!" As I've grown older, I've thought about that many times. Life is full of imperfect things and imperfect people. I'm not the best at hardly anything, and I forget birthdays and anniversaries just like everyone else. But what I've learned over the years is that learning to accept each other's faults and choosing to celebrate each other’s differences is one of the most important keys to creating a healthy, growing, and lasting relationship. And that's my prayer for you today...that you will learn to take the good, the bad, and the ugly parts of your life and lay them at the feet of God. Because in the end, He's the only One who will be able to give you a relationship where a burnt biscuit isn't a deal-breaker! We could extend this to any relationship. In fact, understanding is the base of any relationship, be it a husband-wife or parent-child or friendship! "Don't put the key to your happiness in someone else's pocket--keep it in your own." So, please pass me a biscuit, and yes, the burned one will do just fine. And PLEASE pass this along to someone who has enriched your life--I just did! Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. "Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil--it has no point"

Just to give you an update from my end so far... I do not know if the SASS Office is open today, President's Day. I left a message on their answering machine and sent an e-mail to Misty. If I receive any word, I will post an update here, as promised. I have merged all the "Slow" threads together as requested, so there would be one place to go for information. In the meantime, enjoy the nostalgia of the days of the dial-up modem. All that is missing is the hiss, whine, and grind of the modem trying to connect up!

Howdy HOSS. If you were 99% sure that the barrels were "Straight Up", then that definitely is breaking the 170 because "straight up" is 180. Thats how I read your post info. ..........Widder

and came upon the following sign... I mean seriously, wouldn't you want to just keep on drinking?

All of mine are converted to mechanical switch. However, if I'm not shooting my shotgun last and have a stuck hull it will get the stock bumped on the table to clear the shells because I already have my other hand full of a gun of some sort ready to roll. I do that in a way the doesn't come close to the 170.

They have a instrument which clamps the tongue, like a caliper, and as it records the lessening thickness it messages the nanobots running the pumphouse (microscopic)to cut back on flow. When complete you are given an injection of nitroglycerin through the needle which starts a controlled series of miniature explosions within the blood stream expanding your blood volume back to it's original volume. Late cutoff can result in extreme amounts of flatulence. Imis (todays science wizard)

PLUS ONE to J Bar, Phantom and Widder. Banging the butt on the barrel?? Nah. Just spank the butt will reset. If the 180 (??) was already in play, it was already a SDQ for the 170. One must wear one's Black Hat with pride.

Interesting. Yesterday i I was packing my bag to fly to Oregon for my final move to SoCal. I dropped a lid off of a small bottle of pills. It hit the floor and rolled under the bed behind some boxes. Real pain to get to. I dropped a battery that I was installing in a cordless toothbrush. It ended up in almost exactly the same place. Later I was filling my pill box and dropped a glucosamine caplet. My daughter had stepped in and saw me drop it. I cursed under my breath and she said “Need any help finding it?” I said “No, I am pretty sure I know where it went. I knelt down on the floor, reached under the bed and slid the box to the side and there it was, about two inches from where the lid and the battery ended up. I am pretty sure there are small gravitational anomalies that are only located beneath larger objects and they can only attract small items. The strength of these anomalies is in direct proportion to the physical condition of the lower back or leg joints of the person that drops a small object. The worse the condition, the stronger the gravitational pull...

Opps sorry misspelled that, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

Pelosi

Allegedly one of the thieves was later checked into a local hospital for unspecified issues. This is what they found:

A couple years ago I was disassembling one of my little .380 pistols in the garage when the striker spring flew out and disappeared into the Great Void. Like most people I have a garage that's so full of crap you can barely move in it, but I decided to try looking for it anyway. I heard where it bounced off the wall and thought I knew where it might have landed. I got out a stepladder and started looking from the top down, beginning with my Jeep. The moment I shined a light on the roof of the Jeep there it was, just sitting there. Saved me the cost of a $6 spring and $10 postage to get it here, and a week without my pistol. I doubt I'll be that lucky the next time it happens.

It is where the term "Slow as MolasSASS" comes from.

Well, I would walk right up to that group of ladies and explain the phenomenon of “beer goggles” and that is why men drink. I am pretty sure I could outrun them.

C.L.Kid: Bottles! Set 'em up! I just saw the most horrible sight! Bottles: But Kid, you don't drink?!?! C.L.Kid: I do now!

When I need a lesson the Universe gives it to me. I just have to listen and then apply the lesson to my life. And sometimes the lesson is "Slow down, boy" Imis

My pa, Blue Boy SASS 46773, was the oldest active shooter in SASS for over 10 years, He was born in 1919. He is no longer able to shoot but he's sitting right here as I message and read y'alls posts. His family was a supporter of the ladies in the picture, him not so much. Imis

I don't think banging the stock on a shotgun on a barrel is the method that I'd choose for reset the triggers on my SKB but one thing about the discussion gives me pause. The OP said he was 99% sure that the shooter broke the 170 which leaves 1% doubt. What's the saying, if you think its a miss its a hit....benefit of the doubt goes to the shooter. If you are absolutely sure (100%) that the shooter broke then 170 then by all means award them what they earned, a SDQ. If you aren't 100% sure then I don't think you should call it. You should, however, warn the shooter that is was close and that they should pay attention to their muzzle direction at all times. Kajun

Spelling contest

On the rare occasions my SKB failed to reset, I kept the muzzles down range and spanked the buttstock, then fired the second barrel. No need to accept an unsafe technique for clearing a gun malfunction. The shooter could also have opened the gun, emptied it, reloaded and continued.

IT I believe I have spelled IT correctly.

Pulling the trigger with too much finger. As you curl your right trigger finger you are pulling the firearm left?

Going to try this on my end to see if it'll make my internet go faster!

I thought this was fixed?? It was for a couple days now it's even worse than before!! Telegraph would be quicker!!

Unfortunately - It's not CA compliant for you, SDJ!

Sixgun, I usually find those lost springs right after the new one I ordered arrives.

One I saw recently: LBGT: Luckystrike Be Good Tobacco.

Good and funny movie. The book was hilarious!

Agreed. But I was not in best position to view actual angle. Could have been within the 170, but I doubt it. And not being 100% sure, deemed it a no call. If any other RO would have said something I would have made the call. Absent that, I just did not feel I could make the call. I do regret not talking to Shooter off the line tho, expressing my concern. 170 violations are probably toughest penalty to call. Usually happens quickly, and “barely” for lack of a better word. I think the only one I have called was a shooter shot his pistol dry, then was going to lay it on shelf instead of holster. I yelled “holster” he turned around, gun in hand pointed at my belly and said “huh?” That one was easy!!!!

Didn't read it that way ... But I suppose you could be right ... Which would be a first Just kidding

They get you excited with some porn. When the meter goes to zero, you’re done.

might want to hand off the timer and have 'the talk' away from the unloading table. Lotta folks wear their feelings on their sleeves and this would lessen the embarrassment not having it done in front of the posse. I would mention it to the RM later to see if s/he wants to consider the safety aspect of this move from that point forward

They stop when the director says, “...and cut!” It's only done in the movies these days.

Frisco Frankie at Jax Leather in Madera, CA has everything you’ll ever need.

All I can add is that it does require that the person performing said transfusion has the right instruments.

A Miroku comes from the factory with a fairly short stroke. A good action job is all mine needed. I prefer mine over my short stroked Uberti 66 and 73.

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As Widder said they are First class Stuff I have 6 sets of them.

If the hammers don't drop far enough before contacting the other end of the hammer spring (which pushes hammers back up and away from firing pins), it will cause light hits. When your hammers are down, how far is face of hammers from end of firing pins. If more than 3/32˝, you can lower their stopping position by putting a small brass tube around the spring support (see photo). The thicker the tube, the closer the hammers will come to the firing pins. If you can get them a 1/16˝ or so away from the firing pins, your problem will most likely be solved. RR

TN TOM, Often times, the stage writer will indicate those specific instructions as to whether the +1 has to be loaded at a specific time.....or at Anytime after the beep. If No Instructions were given, then I think the shooter can load that extra round at anytime. Do you remember the actual stage instructions? ..........Widder

There's a lot of yadayadayada here... But the simple fact is that if you want to perform your best, match the revolvers. If you don't care about performing at your best, do whatever you want. Phantom

I think the frustration was that there was no communication from anyone. Even a comment like the above, "Hey! We mods can't do anything about the speed. I'll call early next week (like Tuesday since Monday is a federal holiday) and see if I can get some info for you." would have helped to gruntle the disgruntled.

Instructions w/ pictures here on their website ... http://www.slickmagicguns.com/SureHitSights.html

First CAS City, now SASS. I'm going be reduced to watching CNN if this gets any worse.