Texas Maverick Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Has anyone tried this primer in our CAS guns? Good price and no limit as of right now. https://www.powdervalleyinc.com/product/servicios-aventuras-small-pistol-primers/ Thanks Texas Maverick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbender Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 I'm using up the supply I've got and don't plan on buying them again. The problem was I got 2% or so failure to fire in my pistols with them, but I solved that problem by seating them deeper using a hand primer than my Dillon SDB seated them. They appear to be slightly shorter than other primers. I no longer have problems with them but it takes more effort to make them work right all the time so that's why I'll steer clear of them from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Steve Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 I have been using them for a while now, but only in my practice rounds. I save my federals for matches. As Hellbender said you have to make sure they are well seated. Other than that, I have no complaints. Crusty Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 4 hours ago, Hellbender said: I'm using up the supply I've got and don't plan on buying them again. The problem was I got 2% or so failure to fire in my pistols with them, but I solved that problem by seating them deeper using a hand primer than my Dillon SDB seated them. They appear to be slightly shorter than other primers. I no longer have problems with them but it takes more effort to make them work right all the time so that's why I'll steer clear of them from now on. You should always seat a primer to the bottom of the primer pocket. That's SOP...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 I find that I don't get as large of an indent with my pistols but they do go off, rifle gives me failure to fire. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 21 minutes ago, Kid Rich said: I find that I don't get as large of an indent with my pistols but they do go off, rifle gives me failure to fire. kR Do'n what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbender Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 11 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: You should always seat a primer to the bottom of the primer pocket. That's SOP...... Yes, I do know that. My SDB does seat Federal, Winchester, and other primers to the bottom so I assumed these were being seated to the bottom also. It was only after I discovered that these were not that I started hand priming them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, Hellbender said: Yes, I do know that. My SDB does seat Federal, Winchester, and other primers to the bottom so I assumed these were being seated to the bottom also. It was only after I discovered that these were not that I started hand priming them. Why not fix the Dillon, instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbender Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 3 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Why not fix the Dillon, instead? I didn’t know the seating depth was adjustable. How do you adjust it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 25 minutes ago, Hellbender said: I didn’t know the seating depth was adjustable. How do you adjust it? It's not, if adjusted correctly to start with. RTM.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbender Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: It's not, if adjusted correctly to start with. RTM.... I believe it was adjusted correctly because it seats Federal and all other primers I’ve used (except the ones under discussion) correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 47 minutes ago, Hellbender said: I believe it was adjusted correctly because it seats Federal and all other primers I’ve used (except the ones under discussion) correctly. I it was adjusted correctly, you wouldn't have the variance you are seeing. I suggest you call Dillon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbender Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: I it was adjusted correctly, you wouldn't have the variance you are seeing. I suggest you call Dillon. I'm not understanding what you are saying. If it was adjusted to push Federal primers all the way in then, then it wouldn't push shorter primers all the way in (that's what apparently happens with the Servicios Adenturas primers). But if it was adjusted to push shorter primers all the way in, then wouldn't it crush Federal primers? Please explain. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coconino Pistolero, SASS # 72432 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 I don't have any cowboy guns that use small pistol primers so can't comment on the Argie primers in them. I have discovered that in new fangled semi automatic pistols that the hammer fired pistols shoot them fine but I get some misfires with striker guns. I suspect that they are a mite harder than Winchester primers. They seem to seat the same as the Winchester and Federal I use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Hellbender said: I'm not understanding what you are saying. If it was adjusted to push Federal primers all the way in then, then it wouldn't push shorter primers all the way in (that's what apparently happens with the Servicios Adenturas primers). But if it was adjusted to push shorter primers all the way in, then wouldn't it crush Federal primers? Please explain. Thanks. Like I have said before. CALL Dillon..... Small pistol primers are all the same dimensionally. Make sure you have ZERO up/down play in your shell plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbender Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 27 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Like I have said before. CALL Dillon..... Small pistol primers are all the same dimensionally. Make sure you have ZERO up/down play in your shell plate. I appreciate your advice butWell, I don’t believe that is true (all primers having the same dimensions) because I measured Servicios Adventuras and Federal SPP and found that the SA primers were up to 4/1000” shorter than the Federal. That is my basis for saying they are shorter. Being shorter than standard they don’t always seat reliably in my press. I’ve never had this issue with any of the 4 other brands of primers I’ve used so I don’t believe anything is wrong with my SDB. Instead I think it’s a quality control issue with Servicios Adventuras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Hellbender said: 1 hour ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Like I have said before. CALL Dillon..... Small pistol primers are all the same dimensionally. Make sure you have ZERO up/down play in your shell plate. I appreciate your advice butWell, I don’t believe that is true (all primers having the same dimensions) because I measured Servicios Adventuras and Federal SPP and found that the SA primers were up to 4/1000” shorter than the Federal. That is my basis for saying they are shorter. Being shorter than standard they don’t always seat reliably in my press. I’ve never had this issue with any of the 4 other brands of primers I’ve used so I don’t believe anything is wrong with my SDB. Instead I think it’s a quality control issue with Servicios Adventuras. Measure the cup height, and not where the anvil sits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbender Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 47 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Measure the cup height, and not where the anvil sits. That’s what I measured - from the base of the cup to the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Hellbender said: That’s what I measured - from the base of the cup to the top. Read this.... https://www.sierrabullets.com/primer-substitutions/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbender Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 28 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Read this.... https://www.sierrabullets.com/primer-substitutions/ All I am saying is I suspect Servicios Adventuras probably has such poor quality control that a certain percentage of their primers are not up to specs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 15 minutes ago, Hellbender said: All I am saying is I suspect Servicios Adventuras probably has such poor quality control that a certain percentage of their primers are not up to specs. The ones I used, loaded and fired just fine. I load on a Dillon 550, no issues seating them in mixed headstamp brass that I have used for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbender Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 9 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: The ones I used, loaded and fired just fine. I load on a Dillon 550, no issues seating them in mixed headstamp brass that I have used for years. I guess then a few faulty ones slipped through and I was unlucky enough to get some of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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