Curley Cole, SASS #56849 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 We laid in bed this morning and watched True Grit....the JW version, and I forgot just how good a movie it waz.......We enjoyed seeing the scenes that were very similar to the new version. My wife even was enjoying the movie... I would not attempt to try to make one better than the other. One has the Duke, one was made 30 some years ago, But they both had their pluses and minuises.....but all in all I enjoyed both of them and so did GramaPhylis.... Now I have to go back and get the book and read it again.... Also it was fun watching the "old one eyed fat man" trying to carry....Matty up the hill....he was the smart one He stole a wagon....(I did notice, JB ride right past Peppers horse in the run.......why didn't he just grab it....Well, hell ya say he had to hold the girl up anyways right.... anyways it was fun to go back... curley
Big Jake1001 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 I watched the original a couple of days before going to the movies and seeing the new one. I watched John Wayne movies this weekend and True Grit was on again. This time I was really looking at the details. When Tom Chaney shoots Frank Ross out in front of the bar, He is shooting a Winchester '66 without the forend on it. There was a loading gate on it, but later in the movie when Mattie shoots him at the creek he has a Henry. I noticed that the '69 version Frank Ross grabs a Colt Walker when he leaves home, the new movie is a Colt dragoon. Big Jake
G. I. Tarpicker, SASS #998 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 In the new version, I noticed that Mattie's horse, when coming out of the river when she first caught up to Rooster and LeBouef, was wearing a black synthetic breast collar and her saddle had a synthetic cinch. Both items were missing in the next shot, and another horse was used. -- GIT
Springfield Slim SASS #24733 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 I took my kids to see the new version a week ago Saturday. Then a couple of days ago we watched the JW version. My daughter's main comment about the 2 was that in the older version the cowboys were a lot cleaner. And JW didn't seem like a mean guy, in spite of shooting everybody. And that Kim Darby looked a lot older then 14. They didn't mind the hangings too much, but they hated when the guy in the dugout got his fingers chopped, in both versions.
The Original Bad Bob Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 I think the JW version is more entertaining, but the new one is a lot more realistic. I liked it, but my wife fell asleep in the middle parts! I have not read the book, so I can't speak to which one is closer to the original story, but for some reason I imagine the new one is closer.
Olen Rugged Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 I think the JW version is more entertaining, but the new one is a lot more realistic. I liked it, but my wife fell asleep in the middle parts! I have not read the book, so I can't speak to which one is closer to the original story, but for some reason I imagine the new one is closer. I had a real cowboy weekend...shot with the BOUNTY HUNTERS, saw the John Wayne TG and finished the book. I saw the new TG Christmas day and truly think it was one of the best films I have seen in 20 years. The Wayne picture was great fun as always and will remain a favorite for me. The new version hewed to the book much more closely in both the dialogue and the story line. In general I found the new version to be much more to my liking. In both versions the screen play added elements that were not found in the book but the new version had the outcomes as presented in the book. I particularly enjoyed that when I read the book, the scenes unfolded in what passes for my mind just as if I were in the theater. I like that sort of fidelity to the authors vision. The original TG was one of the Dukes' best and new TG is one of the best westerns ever made. Read the book... Olen
The Original Bad Bob Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 One thing I thought was curious was how no one used contractions when they spoke the dialogue. I assume that is how the book is written? Did English speakers not use contractions until recently?
Little Henry Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 In the book, Rooster stold a wagon AND a buggy to get Mattie back to Ft Smith.
Buckskin James Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 In the new version, I noticed that Mattie's horse, when coming out of the river when she first caught up to Rooster and LeBouef, was wearing a black synthetic breast collar and her saddle had a synthetic cinch. Both items were missing in the next shot, and another horse was used. -- GIT If you watch it again you'll see her saddle him with a Professional choice pad too. But who's counting! Didn't Rooster say in the first movie that Blackie was all he could catch? Or did I assume that? He would have to stop and take the Hobbles off Ned's horse in the new one... If you look close.... which I do because I can't help myself....
GunClick Rick Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 We laid in bed this morning and watched True Grit....the JW version, and I forgot just how good a movie it waz.......We enjoyed seeing the scenes that were very similar to the new version. My wife even was enjoying the movie... I would not attempt to try to make one better than the other. One has the Duke, one was made 30 some years ago, But they both had their pluses and minuises.....but all in all I enjoyed both of them and so did GramaPhylis.... Now I have to go back and get the book and read it again.... Also it was fun watching the "old one eyed fat man" trying to carry....Matty up the hill....he was the smart one He stole a wagon....(I did notice, JB ride right past Peppers horse in the run.......why didn't he just grab it....Well, hell ya say he had to hold the girl up anyways right.... anyways it was fun to go back... curley You must be retarded~~
Captain Woodrow Cahill, SASS # 54363 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 One thing I thought was curious was how no one used contractions when they spoke the dialogue. I assume that is how the book is written? Did English speakers not use contractions until recently? Saw an interview with Bridges and he was asked the same question. He said that he thought it was because most people in the frontier era probably learned to read and write using The Bible as their guide, and it too has no contractions.
Guest Paniolo Cowboy SASS #75875 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 One thing I thought was curious was how no one used contractions when they spoke the dialogue. I assume that is how the book is written? Did English speakers not use contractions until recently? I was told that the use of contractions is directly related to what kind of tone you're looking for. I remember being told to keep contractions out of Report writing for example. As for speaking, it is a more precise speech and less of a familiar or colloquial tone.
Danite SASS #27034 Posted January 10, 2011 Posted January 10, 2011 I was told that the use of contractions is directly related to what kind of tone you're looking for. I remember being told to keep contractions out of Report writing for example. As for speaking, it is a more precise speech and less of a familiar or colloquial tone. And they are still contracting it. Temperature had become tempature, laboratory has become labratory etc. etc. etc.
GunClick Rick Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 Ask became ax,nothin to it became, ain't no thang,hi buddy became,yo! whaz up dog..
Tom Bullweed Posted January 11, 2011 Posted January 11, 2011 Watched both versions and read the book. The new Mattie and LeBeof were good. Aint noboby gonna replace Duke Wayne. The new version's language seemed very stressed, unlike the language used in Appaloosa or writing from that period. Not sure about a western made by Speilberg and the Coens. Not sure about riding out of Fort Smith into into the Rockies within a few days or a silver mine in a New Mexico-looking address and directly into the high plains of Wyoming. They did have goooood horses. Duke Wayne never passed his westerns as actual historical documentaries, but if they want to remake some, they could choose his lesser movies: Comancheros and War Wagon. I recommend that the Cogburn movies, Shootist, Stagecoach, Hondo and Searchers be left alone as the gems that they are.
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