Captain Woodrow Cahill, SASS # 54363 0 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Some time back a pard posted a link and the formula for figuring out a load using Trail Boss for calibers not listed in the manual. Had something to do with ciphering out the percentage of something, but I can't remember what. Anybody have this handy? Thanx in advance. Link to post Share on other sites
Jack Houston # 35508 0 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 VMP for Trail Boss is .2172 Link to post Share on other sites
Hugh Damwright 0 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Straight from Hodgdon Link to post Share on other sites
Adirondack Jack, SASS #53440 16 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 By eyeball, figure out how much powder fits under the bullet with ZERO compression. That's yer max load. Weigh that charge and take 7/10 of it, that's yer starting load. So if 10 grains fits under the bullet with no compression, 7 grains would be a safe starter. Link to post Share on other sites
Jack Houston # 35508 0 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 By eyeball, figure out how much powder fits under the bullet with ZERO compression. That's yer max load. Weigh that charge and take 7/10 of it, that's yer starting load. So if 10 grains fits under the bullet with no compression, 7 grains would be a safe starter. WHOA!!!! Trail Boss isn't Black Powder....you trying to blow someone up Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Woodrow Cahill, SASS # 54363 0 Posted April 10, 2011 Author Share Posted April 10, 2011 Hugh & AJ - thanx for the info. I knew it had something to do with a percentage of a certain amount of case fill, but just couldn't recall what. I was fairly certain that the initial measurement was not a full case. I have a depth gauge I made from a wood disk and a dowel with a set screw. Figure I'll set it from bullet base to crimp groove and then trickle powder into the case until it matches, do the weighing, math, and then develop a load from there. I'm loading some 38 S&W for a WWII Webley, and couldn't find any load data for any of my stock powders and didn't want to buy yet another powder. Figured TB would be a good choice since it's a little more forgiving than other nitro powders. Just out of curiosity, has anybody made up a load with TB that does go to the base of the bullet? Bet it goes off with a helluva bang. Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Windshadow 0 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 WHOA!!!! Trail Boss isn't Black Powder....you trying to blow someone up A Jack just paraphrased the instructions from the maker of the powder seen here http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Trail-Boss-data.pdf which Hugh provided the link to as long as you do not compress it it is tough to get into trouble with Trail Boss (I guess You _might_ if you had a very light load say 30% of max and had one of those weird detonations that are reported once in a blue moon but I personally tend to think the folks that claim to have had one of these light smokeless load events (sometimes reported with tiny loads of something like bullseye in huge case like a 45-120) have actually done something like triple charge the case.) Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey James SASS 85199 0 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I've been looking at this for some time and want to try it with 45-70. Has anyone done this? Thanks, Whiskey James Link to post Share on other sites
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 486 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 WJ Pm me I have worked up some loads with Trail Boss , after having some long conversations with the folks at Hodgen . If you look at the data from them there are some loads listed . See ya down the trail Chickasaw Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Tombstone, SASS #49630 0 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Whiskey James-I have done it for 45/70, it makes a nice mild load for my highwall and lever action, not sure I would use it in a trapdoor without knowing what kind of pressure it generates. Have also done this for 30/30 and 30-40 Krag with no problems. Doc Link to post Share on other sites
gunrunner joe #17093 4 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Not good out to 100 yd. to much drop I've been looking at this for some time and want to try it with 45-70. Has anyone done this? Thanks, Whiskey James Link to post Share on other sites
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 440 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I use the maximum load that Hodgdon recommends in a .45/70 with 405gr lead bullets. It works great for me at ranges out to 125 yards. (shooting it in a Marlin 1895.) Blackfoot Link to post Share on other sites
Adirondack Jack, SASS #53440 16 Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Trail Boss is still a FAST powder, so beware ever compressing it. You might could blow yer iron up. The miracle additive they use in TB that allows up to a 100% charge density (with NO compression), is AIR. Them funky little granules are mostly air..... Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Woodrow Cahill, SASS # 54363 0 Posted April 11, 2011 Author Share Posted April 11, 2011 A shout-out and thanx to Jackson Rose and Oklahoma Harry for the PM's with their loads. Should work out fine. I picked up some 148 gn. hollow-based wadcutters at a show this weekend. Figure the skirt should expand to grave the rifling just like a Minnie ball. AJ - I looked up the MSDS on TB, and besides the nitrocellulose in the little cheerios they also add potassium nitrate and something called dibutyl phthalate. The KOH provides the oxygen (more air, if you will) for the burn, and the other stuff is usually used in plastic & vinyl products. Could it be used to help control the burn rate? I wondered why my brass felt kind of greasy or slippery after using TB, so maybe that's why. Link to post Share on other sites
Adirondack Jack, SASS #53440 16 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 A shout-out and thanx to Jackson Rose and Oklahoma Harry for the PM's with their loads. Should work out fine. I picked up some 148 gn. hollow-based wadcutters at a show this weekend. Figure the skirt should expand to grave the rifling just like a Minnie ball. AJ - I looked up the MSDS on TB, and besides the nitrocellulose in the little cheerios they also add potassium nitrate and something called dibutyl phthalate. The KOH provides the oxygen (more air, if you will) for the burn, and the other stuff is usually used in plastic & vinyl products. Could it be used to help control the burn rate? I wondered why my brass felt kind of greasy or slippery after using TB, so maybe that's why. I dunno about all of that. I do know if you take any normal flake or ball or stick powder and squish it, there is very little compressibility. Trail Boss "cheerios" break down to dust and would compress to far smaller volume. THAT would be the danger of over-doing it with TB. Following the data from the maker assures you've REALLY got a lot less in the case than it appears, because the stuff is "fluffed up" so much in the process of manufacture, almost like styrofoam.... Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Woodrow Cahill, SASS # 54363 0 Posted April 11, 2011 Author Share Posted April 11, 2011 ... because the stuff is "fluffed up" so much in the process of manufacture, almost like styrofoam.... Maybe the dibutyl phthalate is what causes it to get fluffed up? It is one of the ingredients in styrofoam. Link to post Share on other sites
Jim8086 0 Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Could some kind person PM me with load for 147gr Moulton lead bullets? I also shoot 158gr(1873 38/357 rifle) just want to check my math-Thank You Link to post Share on other sites
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