GUNBARREL, #20505 Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Howdy, I have a pair of .44 Bulldogs for sale. These are high quality pistols made in Belgium to sell in the Old American West. More Bulldogs were sold out West than Colts and S&W's put together (re: "The British Bulldog Revolver: The Forgotten Gun That Really Won The West," by George Layman). These guns have 2" barrels and wood grips, and they are in very good condition. They would make a great looking rig in a custom made double-shoulder holster (see the picture below of Robert Duval in "Joe Kidd" wearing a shoulder holster with a Bulldog). The one with the plain cylinder is marked "BRITISH BULL-DOG" on the top strap and it was made by Ferdinand Drissen (Click here to read about him) The one with the fluted cylinder is marked "WESTERN BULL DOG " also on the top strap and it is marked with a 5-point star over a "T" also indicating Belgian manufacture. For more information on Bulldogs, you can refer to the book mentioned above, but there is also this article online from a British perspective: The BullDog Pack: Variations of the Breed The price for the pair of these authentic Western guns is $500. I prefer a face-to-face sale in Central Florida (I'm in Lakeland). Keep in mind that you may see a number of .32 and .38 caliber Bulldogs, but the big-bore .44 cal are not as common and bring a premium price. I did not take a close-up photo of the knife, but it was made from a Masonic sword from The M.C. Lilley & Co, Columbus Ohio. The marking on it indicates that it was made between 1882 and 1925. If anyone is interested in it, I'll let it go for $125. Thank you. GB http://i52.tinypic.com/15n8zmc.jpg http://i55.tinypic.com/20kqf11.jpg http://i55.tinypic.com/2wg7gvo.jpg http://i52.tinypic.com/t658vb.jpg http://i56.tinypic.com/f2rj20.jpg http://i54.tinypic.com/v4qm9c.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang, SASS #53480 Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Very nice "Bull Dogs" . . . you might considering offering them over on the "British Gun Pub". Quite a bit of interest there in Bull Dogs whether British made or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mingo Frank Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I know they are .44s but what is the specific caliber designation?? Mingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNBARREL, #20505 Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 Very nice "Bull Dogs" . . . you might considering offering them over on the "British Gun Pub". Quite a bit of interest there in Bull Dogs whether British made or not. Wolfgang, Thanks for the compliment and for the suggestion. Someone named "pocketpistol" beat me to it and posted a link to this post at the British Gun Pub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNBARREL, #20505 Posted January 25, 2011 Author Share Posted January 25, 2011 I know they are .44s but what is the specific caliber designation?? Mingo Mingo, I'm sorry; I do not know. The bore on the BRITISH BULL-DOG measured 0.4205" diameter. The bore on the WESTERN BULL DOG measured 0.415" diameter. A gentleman named Joel Black at the British Gun Pub (who apparently knows quite a bit about these) said that "If you want to shoot them, all you have to do is shorten some .44 mag or spec cases and use black powder loaded to the base of a soft lead bullet," but personally I do not know enough about them to agree, or disagree. I know that if I was going to shoot them, I would first take them to a competent gunsmith and have them inspected and pronounced safe to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossyrock Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 OK, these are killing me. I have absolutely NO use for them, but they really appeal to me. Would you be willing to ship them to the other end of the country....like to Washington? Since they are antiques, no FFL would be needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNBARREL, #20505 Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 Would you be willing to ship them to the other end of the country....like to Washington? Mossyrock, Thanks for your interest. I will get back to you on that. GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunClick Rick Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Oh slobber Those are way cool.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNBARREL, #20505 Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 Oh slobber Those are way cool.. Thanks, GunClick Rick. I hate to let them go, but I can't keep them all. If all goes well, a lucky pard is going to be their proud new owner pretty soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNBARREL, #20505 Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 Still available because of the costs associated with having to ship them from FFL to FFL--even though it's not required by law USPS & UPS will not handle without going through FFL holders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hand Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 A private citizen may ship a firearm to a FFL (if they will accept it) via UPS, I do it all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldom Seen #16162 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Pard, You are being handed a bunch of b.s. by U.P.S. For starters you not not required by law to declared the contents of your package. You can save yourself a lot of grief if you just mail the guns. U.S.P.S. regulations state "Unloaded antique firearms sent as curios or museum pieces are generally permitted, as specified in Exhibit 432.1 and DMM 601.11.2." http://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_009.htm#ep308518 Some things really are that easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunClick Rick Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Heck we ship guns to Mexico all the time BTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNBARREL, #20505 Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 Bump. Compare with the estimated value of this .32 cal F&W Bulldog: http://www.antiqueguns.com/auction/item.cgi?robles/robles-41532 I've printed out the USPS rules (thanks, Seldom Seen) and I'll go back to the Post Office and try to mail them again if anyone is still interested in my pursuing it. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Morningwood Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Check USPS Publication 52 pp 77-81 (I think). 431.3 Antique Firearm An antique firearm (including those with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) is any firearm manufactured in or before 1898any firearm manufactured in or before 1898, or any replica of such a firearm, that meets either of the following conditions: a. It is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition. b. It uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, which is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available through ordinary commercial trade channels. These revolvers meet both criteria. I have shipped half a dozen of these, including one to the UK recently. Do not be cowed into having to spend money you do not have to. Go armed with documentation to show at counter. They only ask if it is liquid, hazardous, perishable or potentially dangerous. Just say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyboy Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 They don't ask if there's old guns in there, and you don't need to tell...they're ''antiques'', anyways. Remember, ''don't ask, don't tell...''...as long as it's not a modern firearm, not liquid, hazardous, or perishable'', it's legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNBARREL, #20505 Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share Posted February 5, 2011 They don't ask if there's old guns in there, and you don't need to tell...they're ''antiques'', anyways. Remember, ''don't ask, don't tell...''...as long as it's not a modern firearm, not liquid, hazardous, or perishable'', it's legal. Thanks, Willyboy. I learned my lesson. That confounded bean counter at the post office counter cost me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunClick Rick Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Howdy, I have a pair of .44 Bulldogs for sale. These are high quality pistols made in Belgium to sell in the Old American West. More Bulldogs were sold out West than Colts and S&W's put together (re: "The British Bulldog Revolver: The Forgotten Gun That Really Won The West," by George Layman). These guns have 2" barrels and wood grips, and they are in very good condition. They would make a great looking rig in a custom made double-shoulder holster (see the picture below of Robert Duval in "Joe Kidd" wearing a shoulder holster with a Bulldog). The one with the plain cylinder is marked "BRITISH BULL-DOG" on the top strap and it was made by Ferdinand Drissen (Click here to read about him) The one with the fluted cylinder is marked "WESTERN BULL DOG " also on the top strap and it is marked with a 5-point star over a "T" also indicating Belgian manufacture. For more information on Bulldogs, you can refer to the book mentioned above, but there is also this article online from a British perspective: The BullDog Pack: Variations of the Breed The price for the pair of these authentic Western guns is $500. I prefer a face-to-face sale in Central Florida (I'm in Lakeland). Keep in mind that you may see a number of .32 and .38 caliber Bulldogs, but the big-bore .44 cal are not as common and bring a premium price. I did not take a close-up photo of the knife, but it was made from a Masonic sword from The M.C. Lilley & Co, Columbus Ohio. The marking on it indicates that it was made between 1882 and 1925. If anyone is interested in it, I'll let it go for $125. Thank you. GB http://i52.tinypic.com/15n8zmc.jpg http://i55.tinypic.com/20kqf11.jpg http://i55.tinypic.com/2wg7gvo.jpg http://i52.tinypic.com/t658vb.jpg http://i56.tinypic.com/f2rj20.jpg http://i54.tinypic.com/v4qm9c.jpg I'll swap ya a Ruger 22 lr 22mag conversion with two cylinders,pristine never shot.Has Ruger gray box and trigger lock for them there forty four Bulldogs The gun is clean and very nice Ruger bluing with nice walnut grip panels. I'll take care of the shipping and any ffl stuff.It is a nice revolver.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunClick Rick Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I should have added if that is a fair deal..I don't really know..Got your PM..Better go get me a lotto ticket! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunClick Rick Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Third ticket,nuttin yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNBARREL, #20505 Posted February 7, 2011 Author Share Posted February 7, 2011 Third ticket,nuttin yet Keep the faith... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang, SASS #53480 Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Third ticket,nuttin yet Keep the faith... Who needs "faith", . . . . . . . . when they've got a double barreled "Rabbit Gun" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNBARREL, #20505 Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share Posted February 8, 2011 Who needs "faith", . . . . . . . . when they've got a double barreled "Rabbit Gun" ? Ask Pale Rider...ye of little faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNBARREL, #20505 Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 Bulldogs are ON HOLD for a fellow SASS member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNBARREL, #20505 Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 BULLDOGS SOLD TO THAT FELLOW SASS MEMBER. Thanks, Seldom Seen and Dusty Morningwood. I used the Post Office to ship them. I printed out about three pages of the regulations that apply to Antique Firearms and I went back and spoke with a Supervisor. No problems after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Long Story, US Cavalry Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Just saw this and wanted to add, that was a good deal for whoever picked them up. I'm a .450 guy, but I'd like to see pics of these .44s in action once you buyer(s) get them up and running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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