Bisley Joe Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 Absolutely NOTHING I try works. Rifle on it's side, upside down, right side up.... lever goes in but pin will not go in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisley Joe Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 Got the lever in-finally. Still not ejecting. I will never buy a Rossi again. I have three friends who were waiting and I just let them know. They will buy another brand. There is absolutely no excuse for this kind of garbage to be made, and that these issues are KNOWN to be common is even worse. If the rifle was under $300 maybe it would be tolerable, but even the "low" price of over $600 is a scam. Can't send it in anymore because warranty is obviously void now. The absolute worst experience with a firearm I have ever had. I may see if a gunsmith will touch it. If it's too much to fix I will chop it up and dump it in the trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisley Joe Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 Well, venting here. Just really pissed off because I very much liked this little rifle! It is a perfect size for a truck gun and I wanted to use it as a woods rifle along with my woods pistol: Ruger Bisley/Cimarron Bisley, both in the same caliber (45 Colt). I also planned on it being my SASS rifle for when I shoot the Bisley revolvers and possibly a '97. The issue remains the same: the extractor will not drop fully and grab the cartridge rim. I noticed that, with dummy rounds, if I pull the trigger/drop the hammer on a chambered dummy round, the extractor will drop, and the round will eject. This made me think that the bolt is not going all the way forward. I gently tapped the rear of the bolt-beside the firing pin-with a drift/small plastic mallet, and the extractor dropped, grabbed the case rim, and then ejected. The ejector spring feels ridiculously hard, so maybe this is it? But even slamming the lever shut hard does not remedy the situation. I can understand some ammo fussiness due to the straight-wall cartridges. However, failing to eject-every time-is a clear sign of abysmal quality control and a lack of respect for their customers-not to mention their own brand! Very frustrating. So I emailed Rossi in a followup email. I guess its worth seeing if this is easily resolved. It will take a big, positive surprise for me to ever even consider a Rossi again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Okay, but quit saying that it won't eject. It won't EXTRACT! Has to extract before it can eject. Just so people don't get confused, ya know. That extra hard ejector spring isn't the problem, but many will replace it with a lighter spring which makes closing the action easier with a round in it and also doesn't throw empties as far. Putting one of those back together the first time is a bit fiddly the first time, even if you know the trick of the casing hooked under the extractor and inserted into the chamber. But it's pretty easy once you get where things need to be to line up the holes. You mention that you heard this failure was common, but I'm not so sure. I haven't heard much about that, myself, on a new gun, anyway. Maybe you just got a lemon! Since you don't want to mail it off, maybe somebody around you has some experience with '92's, maybe ask around at the local club. Hope you get it sorted out! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisley Joe Posted March 11 Author Share Posted March 11 11 hours ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: Okay, but quit saying that it won't eject. It won't EXTRACT! Has to extract before it can eject. Just so people don't get confused, ya know. That extra hard ejector spring isn't the problem, but many will replace it with a lighter spring which makes closing the action easier with a round in it and also doesn't throw empties as far. Putting one of those back together the first time is a bit fiddly the first time, even if you know the trick of the casing hooked under the extractor and inserted into the chamber. But it's pretty easy once you get where things need to be to line up the holes. You mention that you heard this failure was common, but I'm not so sure. I haven't heard much about that, myself, on a new gun, anyway. Maybe you just got a lemon! Since you don't want to mail it off, maybe somebody around you has some experience with '92's, maybe ask around at the local club. Hope you get it sorted out! Damn it! Sorry about that! Right: it won't EXTRACT. EXTRAAAAAACT!!!! I got my blood pressure down a bit from this and wrote back Rossi/Taurus. Let's see what they say. If they fix this/give me a new rifle that works, I will change my mind. I will update once I know. Thank you for the help to everyone, and for the patience in correcting my eject vs extract! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisley Joe Posted March 23 Author Share Posted March 23 Was finally able to send the rifle back. Waiting for a reply. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted March 24 Share Posted March 24 FYI, the below picture has had an arrow added to it indicating the hook of the extractor. Your dummy cartridge should be able to be placed behind this hook, against the bolt face to facilitate prying the ejector back into the bolt. If you were unable to do this either the extractor is too short or it was cut too shallow. The rim thickness for a 45 Colt is `.060". The distance from the inside of the hook to the bolt face must be at least this distance, otherwise the extractor cannot drop over the rim to extract the case from the chamber. I don't actually use a dummy cartridge as an assembly aid, just a empty case... works as well. If you have a dial caliper, and haven't sent the rifle back yet, measure that distance and include the actual measurement in a note accompanying the rifle. I'd also measure the inside radius of the bolt hood, that "arc" covering the rim over the top of the bolt. The rim diameter for the 45 Colt is .512" +/- .012. Ergo the radius should be at least .256". This will keep the rim from sitting flush against the bolt face, again making extraction impossible. Additionally, I keep a couple of small magnetic parts tray handy when disassembling a rifle to keep the small metal bits contained in near proximity to my work. Sorry I didn't see your latests posts to this topic before now, but had a set of circumstances of my own to deal with. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisley Joe Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 On 3/23/2024 at 9:09 PM, Griff said: FYI, the below picture has had an arrow added to it indicating the hook of the extractor. Your dummy cartridge should be able to be placed behind this hook, against the bolt face to facilitate prying the ejector back into the bolt. If you were unable to do this either the extractor is too short or it was cut too shallow. The rim thickness for a 45 Colt is `.060". The distance from the inside of the hook to the bolt face must be at least this distance, otherwise the extractor cannot drop over the rim to extract the case from the chamber. I don't actually use a dummy cartridge as an assembly aid, just a empty case... works as well. If you have a dial caliper, and haven't sent the rifle back yet, measure that distance and include the actual measurement in a note accompanying the rifle. I'd also measure the inside radius of the bolt hood, that "arc" covering the rim over the top of the bolt. The rim diameter for the 45 Colt is .512" +/- .012. Ergo the radius should be at least .256". This will keep the rim from sitting flush against the bolt face, again making extraction impossible. Additionally, I keep a couple of small magnetic parts tray handy when disassembling a rifle to keep the small metal bits contained in near proximity to my work. Sorry I didn't see your latests posts to this topic before now, but had a set of circumstances of my own to deal with. Thank you for your input! I appreciate it! I tried a dummy cartridge and an empty case. Switched to the dummy as it allowed me to easily insert the cartridge partially into the chamber and not get ejected. I had to hold it down with my thumb so it wouldn't be tossed off, so your idea about the extractor being too short or shallow sounds like a good possibility. One thing I noticed was that the bolt wouldn't fully close, by just a hair, with a round chambered (a dummy round) and the extractor stayed slightly elevated. Working the lever would not extract, of course, because the extractor wouldn't fall and grab the cartridge case. And even closing it rather hard did nothing. However, dropping the hammer was enough to nudge the bolt forward, causing the extractor to drop, grab the case rim, and then it would extract and eject fine. I wasn't about to try this with live ammunition though. Maybe I'm paranoid, but the thought of a round going off a microsecond before the bolt is fully closed made me a bit uncomfortable. Anyway, I sent the rifle back. Waiting to see what they say. Again, thank you. Hopefully they will send me another rifle. One that actually works. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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