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  1. Hi everyone. This particular model of the North American Arms mini revolver caught my attention because it resembles a lilliputian Schofield revolver with its break top action. I am specifically interested in the variant with the longer 2.5" barrel length, larger boot grip, and included .22LR conversion cylinder that is pre-fitted to the frame from the factory. The manufacturer's model number for that package is NAA-22MC-R250. It doesn't seem to be readily available anywhere locally, but since this is definitely a "want" (and far from a "need") I'm not overly motivated to order a new one through a store or online. However, I thought I'd see if anybody here has one sitting in a safe or otherwise looking to sell so that the transaction could at least benefit someone in the SASS community. I'm also curious to hear your opinions about these little revolvers from a practical standpoint. It'd honestly be mostly for fun and plinking, but its tiny size is certainly attractive for carrying in a pocket holster when I don't want to (or otherwise cannot) carry a larger autoloader. I've read several articles across the web that report that while diminutive, .22WMR is still not anything to scoff at and can be an effective defense around... or at the very least, better than nothing. (Personally, I wouldn't want to get shot with it!) Lots of the criticism I read about it revolves () around it being single action and difficult to operate under stress, but I'd argue that anything is possible with practice even with something this small... and out of anybody, we certainly get plenty of practice working single action revolvers quickly and accurately! (Too bad these aren't legal for official SASS use in side matches though, since they are smaller than .31 caliber and are not a pre-1900 design.)
  2. Haha, thank you for the shout-out, Camo Cowboy! Cypress Sun is a great guy and was there for my very first few matches, so it seemed only fitting that I point out his listing to you as a fellow newer shooter since you’re in the exciting “acquisition phase” of cowboy action shooting. Looking forward to seeing you in the morning, Sun! It has been nice to see you in passing when you come by to say hello before the matches, but it would be great to shoot with you again if you do stick around! This may be too late for you to see before the morning... but if not, please do come out, especially if what you mean by “not ready” is “I don’t have the guns” (as opposed to psychologically ready or something else)! I can almost guarantee that someone — myself included — will ensure that you get a taste of our sport if you come. Look/ask for any of us if you decide to come!
  3. Thanks! I measured the LOP to be 14" including the recoil pad (which came like that from the factory as far as I'm aware).
  4. I used the Charles Daly 512T in a cowboy match for the first time today and had a blast. I'll be the first to admit that Doc Noper's action job makes this coach gun slicker than I can even work yet — so I'm certainly not using it to its full potential at the moment — but I'm still very pleased with the purchase and hope to "grow into it" over time. Here's a clip from today's match which demonstrates how Winchester AA shotshells practically jump out of the chambers themselves: I also wanted to share a few more photos that I took after I got home, along with some miscellaneous notes in case anybody else is curious. Left: The lever in the "closed" position. In addition to bending the end of the lever up and to the left to make it easier to reach with your thumb, Doc Noper also lightened its spring. He also lightened the main springs. While it is easier to open the action and cock the internal hammers, the gun requires a deliberate motion to open or close which is helpful when carrying the firearm vertically (e.g. muzzles-up to/from the loading and unloading tables) without the action closing unintentionally. Right: The lever at the point where it actuates. Doc short-stroked the lever and re-timed the action so that it breaks open sooner and wider, respectively. The lever can still travel a few more millimeters to the right but it doesn't seem to have any additional function once the action is open. (The serial number is inscribed on the tang under the lever, but I edited mine out of these photos.) Left: Another angle, looking straight down the barrels. In addition to honing and chamfering the chambers, Doc also sculpted the extractor to be less intrusive, particularly at the 12 o'clock position. Right: A view of the flush Rem® Chokes and factory brass bead. The Charles Daly website advertises that the 512T comes with five interchangeable chokes and even specifies SK/IC/M/IM/F, but mine actually came with a Cylinder choke instead of a Skeet choke. That worked out for me anyway since for cowboy action shooting, I already considered getting a Cylinder choke to put in the right barrel (which I typically fire first) and using the Improved Cylinder choke in the left barrel.
  5. Of course! Playing guitar is one of my other hobbies and I was already using my instruments' gig bags as makeshift single long gun cases. After I completed my first full set of cowboy guns, I was originally just planning to repurpose an old hardshell guitar case and fill it with foam that I would have cut to shape. While Googling around to see if anybody else has attempted and documented that project in the past, I came across several pre-made examples that looked intriguing. I ultimately went with the Savior Equipment Ultimate Guitar Case since it is lockable, has wheels, and seems future-proof/sturdy enough to be used for long-distance travel (particularly flying, if I ever get to that point). Other companies that I came across included Covert Cases (which has some other clever products that I wish I was creative enough to think of myself ) and Cedar Mill. All of the pre-made ones I found are admittedly pricey — especially the latter two I linked, which I felt I could probably DIY relatively easily and more inexpensively — but the Savior Equipment offering was a fair enough price to me for a feature set that would've been more involved and/or expensive for me to build myself. Plus, the case was still deep enough to where I can comfortably fit another layer of guns if needed while still maintaining a layer of foam between them. For example: Besides the firearms in my photo above, I also keep my IAC 97 in the case on the bottom layer to bring to matches in case I or anybody else wants to use it. For anybody interested in building their own, here's a guy who documented how he did it for his AR-15 and here's an example of the foam I would have tried to cut to shape. Finally, obligatory Desperado reference:
  6. How did you hear/learn about SASS? I started in December 2019. I initially stumbled upon it because I am a big fan of Red Dead Redemption (the video game series) which is known for its “End of the Wild West” storyline, fast gunplay, and countless other cowboy/western tropes. I eventually came across a YouTube video that discussed whether real people can actually shoot as fast as the characters in the game. The video answered “hell yes!” then showcased a few stages from an Arizona Cowboy Shooters Association match. It made me want to go check out a match in person so I looked up the SASS website, found a club that was only a 25 minute drive away from me, and contacted its match director (Moog). He encouraged me to show up to an Antelope Junction Rangers monthly where I met him, Shelleen and several others... and the rest, as they say, is history! Did you have a mentor? Yes; though I’ve been fortunate to meet and learn so much from many people, I am particularly grateful for the mentoring I’ve received from Shelleen and Moog. They are often at matches together and I learn something new from them every weekend that I come out to shoot. And as it would turn out, Shelleen lives practically down the road from me which has made working with and learning from him even more seamless, so if I had to single out one mentor it would be him. I appreciate him for taking me under his wing, starting literally on day one for me! Why did you join? "Come for the shooting, stay for the people." I know everyone says that, but that must mean it’s something about our culture. I enjoy that we foster a strong sense of camaraderie within our community despite the stereotypically cut-throat nature of some competitive shooting sports. Plus, CAS checks several of the boxes for me: historical firearms, roleplaying/costuming elements, and (as my other friends often tease me) "basically getting to play Red Dead Redemption in real life." Brief history of acquiring your firearms. Shelleen, the mentor I mentioned above, happened to have an extra Taylor's & Co. 1873 rifle and pair of Ruger New Vaqueros that he was willing to sell... all in .38/.357, slicked up, and ready to go. Being eager to dive deeper into the game with gear to call "my own", I took him up on his offer. Not even a week later, I came across an IAC (Norinco) 97 pump shotgun on consignment at a local gun shop for a fair price so I jumped on that too, completing my first set of cowboy guns. I stuck with the 97 up until last month, when I decided to borrow and try a side-by-side for the first time and really enjoyed it. That prompted me to purchase a Charles Daly 512T, which I actually just posted about recently and plan to use as my main match shotgun starting this weekend. As those who have met me at matches may know, I like to transport all of my cowboy guns to/from the range in a "guitar" case. It not only serves as part of my costume, but also helps deter unwanted attention or uncomfortable looks from others when I'm coming into/out of my downtown apartment building. Brief history of your "cowboy attire". I am Filipino-American and for the first few months, my attire drew heavy inspiration from José Rizal who is considered the Philippines' national hero. He is popularly portrayed as wearing an iconic bowler hat and dark formalwear, particularly at the time of his martyrdom by the Spanish in 1896. However, as we transitioned into Florida's notoriously hot, humid summer I found that it was way too uncomfortable to wear a vest and neckerchief all the time so I started dressing down. Finally, during my first match back after the COVID-19 quarantine, I wore a bandana over my face which people said made me look more like a "Santa Rosa Outlaw." I kind of liked the different persona and I happened to be in the market for a new hat anyway, so I decided to lean into it for at least these hotter months. I'm sure my outfit will change several times more though, which is part of the fun for me in this hobby anyway!
  7. Thank you both, and I'll certainly let everyone know of any major updates after I start using it at CAS matches! In the first few months after I started doing CAS in December 2019, I was fortunate to attend a match (and sometimes even two) every weekend because of the number of clubs within reasonable driving distance from me. Currently, due to work and other scheduling conflicts, I will consider myself lucky and satisfied if I can attend 1–2 matches a month. That's very flattering, thank you! I honestly hadn't even thought about it, especially given how new I am to CAS. Plus, George Baylor's article seemed recent enough and with a much more "professional" take on the shotgun than I could offer. However, if @Skinny or anybody else from the Cowboy Chronicle might find my perspective interesting, I'd be happy to submit it. I'm glad that you also enjoy it! I know that there are a handful of people here who also shoot them and love them, but I'm just surprised that the 512T hasn't yet gained quite the reputation (or at least publicity/marketing) as some of the other newer doubles. Thanks for the smooth transaction with mine! Yes, here's hoping the supply holds out. I get the impression they were more prevalent even just a few years ago. The 512Ts definitely seem to be a reasonably-priced but capable alternative to the SKBs and BSSes from what you and everyone has said.
  8. The Charles Daly 512T seems to be relatively obscure compared to other hammerless coach guns in its price range such as the CZ Sharp-Tail. When you search for it, it's actually not easy to come across much besides Deuce Stevens' video review on Youtube, Captain George Baylor's article in the Cowboy Chronicle, and various posts/replies about it here on the SASS Wire. You can get a couple more hits by searching "Akkar Churchill 512 HD" (which is what it is called in Turkey, where the shotgun is manufactured) but many are not in English and don't necessarily show the gun how it is ultimately configured upon importation to the USA by Chiappa. Despite that, after reading several positive recommendations about it and seeing a new one available for sale here on the SASS Wire last month, I bit the bullet and got one. Without even seeing (let alone handling) the gun in its stock setup, I had it sent to Doc Noper to be slicked up and he turned it around in just over a week. I just took delivery of the final product at my FFL on Friday. The resources I linked above were very helpful in convincing me that I might like the gun, but still somehow don't quite give it as much credit as it probably deserves. The factory 20" barrels, interchangeable chokes, single selective mechanical trigger, manual safety, and lack of ejectors make it versatile but seemingly designed with cowboy action shooters in mind. The shotgun itself is quite light (5.68 lb on my scale) and the receiver is noticeably compact (just over 2" at its widest point behind the two barrels) which lends itself nicely to someone of shorter stature like me. It is balanced and points/swings nimbly. The pronounced pistol grip is comfortably contoured and brings the barrels up to my line of sight easily. The fit is solid and feels high-quality. I can best describe its design (box lock without any case coloring, engraving, scalloping, false side plates, etc.) and finish (walnut hardware, white receiver, blued barrels) as "plain but handsome." Simply put, I'm happy to report that it is actually even better than I expected. Some friends of mine wanted to bring me to shoot sporting clays with them that next day (Independence Day) since I'd never done it before, so I decided to use that opportunity to also try out the 512T for the first time. My buddies warned me ahead of time: "You've never shot sporting clays or that shotgun, and it's a 20" side-by-side? Good luck with that! Are you sure you don't want to use my shotgun?" All things considered, I had a fun first time and hit just under 50% of the clays using the 512T exclusively. Its interchangeable chokes definitely came in handy to reach some of the farther targets, which was reassuring since that feature was one of the reasons why I picked the 512T over the CZ Sharp-Tail. Understandably, tight chokes won't be necessary for how close our shotgun targets are in typical CAS stages, so I'll likely stick to cylinder and improved cylinder for them unless there are other recommendations. Doc Noper's action job is sublime, as expected, and I couldn't resist trying a couple of "speed stages" towards the end of our range day. (Any hangups were due to my inexperience, not the gun. ) I look forward to getting more experience using the Charles Daly 512T as my main cowboy action shooting shotgun going forward! Edit: I shared additional notes and photos after my first cowboy match with the 512T below, in this post.
  9. I'm a little belated in posting for the first time to introduce myself, but figured that this thread might be the best place to do it! SASS Alias: Santa Rosa Slinger SASS #: 109505 Where you are from: Tampa, Florida How long you’ve been Cowboy Action Shooting: 5 months (since December 2019)
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