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When Triple 7 came out I calculated a full case of it would duplicate the original infantry powder load in a 45-70. Can't find my calcs, it was a while ago. I loaded up 10 rounds with 500 grain bullets and took them to the range with an original trap door rifle. I shot 3 rounds, went home and took the remaining 7 rounds apart for normal reloading and put ice on my shoulder for a few hours. The soldiers who used those loads in combat were tough!

I used a Buckhorn with a Beach front sight on a carbine a few years ago. It was great for fast stages and it flipped to a standard sight for longer range stages. Sold it with the gun and regretted it.

You are looking at close to a year of shoots to get good with an ‘87. Figure the cost of sending it to Lassiter if you want to be at all competitive with it. The difference between the gun from Coyote Cap and Lassiter's work was night and day. He will improve the new guns just as much. You will be faster with a double, but you will have a lot more fun with an ‘87, especially with black powder.

My 06 Coyote Cap '87 did not allow loading the tube after Lassiters magic. You need to decide between drop two or having 5 or 6 rounds. The obvious answer is to buy two

If you shoot 38 SC in a 38 spl you will build up a ridge of crud in the chamber that will stop 38 spl’s from going all the way in. Otherwise a good SASS round.

It looks like they are made by Wuxi Bam in China. They make a lot of air rifles and a low cost AK shotgun that reviewers like. Also parts for Stoeger.

They are on the Cimarron website at $623. Pics at the Firearms Depot website show a black finish, no blueing, but nice looking wood. You are probably getting just what you’re paying for and nothing more. I would guess you need to send it to Lassiter just to get it running right.

I used 15 grains of Triple 7 with a round ball for most targets, and 20 grains with a conical for heavy knock downs. I could go 8 stages without any cleaning.

We started with all cowboy stages, but we beat the cops badly. After that we had six stages, three designed by cowboys and three by cops. That evened it out pretty good. The cop stages we could stoke the '97's. The cowboy stages the cops had to load shotguns on the clock. Pistols limited to 5 rounds, mags in and charged at the line. We tried to get cops from State, city, county, and border patrol. The cops trying to load the shotguns evened out with cowboys trying to hit 50 yard rifle targets

So Colt SAA's are only available in 45 and 357?

I use 40 grains of FF black topped with Malto-Meal and a 300 grain bullet. Perfect for Plainsman. When 777 first came out I figured the extra umph would match the larger volume in the period balloon type cases the infantry used. I loaded up 10 rounds with full cases and 500 grain bullets. After firing three rounds I went home, took the other 7 cartridges apart, and put ice on my shoulder for a couple of hours.

Cap tuned the extractors on his guns for Winchester AA's. I remember others saying Remington's would usually work. I think it has more to do with the rim thickness than the quality of the shells. I've always used the AA's and never had a problem.

I'm faster with a '97, but the '87 is too much fun not to use. A CC 006 has been my main match gun for over 10 years, but only after Lassiter set it up. Coyote Cap told me it was ok to use Featherlites in my original '87, but 80 grains of black was way more fun (no choke, a short barrel, and 3" pipe knock-downs).

Are you saying the bolt leg might break in with use?

Thanks! Cap seater - yes. Now for the nerve wracking "removing material".

I picked up a brand new 1851 in .44, ran one cylinder full of caps through it to see how bad it would cap jam It jammed a lot. The wedge is harder to remove than my 1862's. I stoned the rough surfaces, put in a cap rake, added a thin washer under the bolt spring, and installed Treso nipples. With the cylinder out the bolt drops and I get the right number of clicks. The same with the cylinder in but without caps. With caps on: I take the cylinder off of half cock and it sets against a cap normally (putting caps on all cylinders for the function tests). The gun is then locked up tight. Nothing moves and the wedge is even harder to remove. Cylinder gap when locked up goes from .006" to 0". If I push the hammer forward it unlocks. If I cock and fire I can get through all six chambers normally. If I just cock the hammer back and set it down, it will lock up again. I cannot find anything behind the cylinder to cause the jam. I put a stock nipple back on and it was no different than the Treso's. I did nothing to change the curve of the hammer and frame. Suggestions?

I still have a Hi-Standard Sentinel long barrel like on page 6. My dad bought it brand new.

Darn. He was a good guy.

The shoulder setback on original 38-40's is slightly different than the modern guns. Don't mess with the gun if you can help it. RCBS used to make a special Schofield die for 38-40 that will size the shell to fit either age of gun. I've been using mine for over 15 years with no problems. Don't know if they still make it, you need to call them. See the post by Tom Paine in this string:

Bummer.

I remember that. On our posse everyone was borrowing guns. The funny thing was that everybody missed with their own guns but were dead on with the borrowed pistols!

There used to be more on Doc Shapiros' website, but it looks like it is gone now.

Deuce Stevens http://www.spencerhoglund.com/files/87_3_1_.50_record.wmv 87_3_1_.50_record.wmv

I have had no trouble with any AA hull in either an original or a CC. Mostly I use Featherlights and grey's.

I was going off of what he said on his website back in '05, and Captain Baylors' review of the same vintage. That and the fact my CC '97 and '87 both extract erratically with anything else.