H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619

I was at a shoot once. Repeating shotgun may be stoked on the clock applied to all stages. One one stage there were 2 falling targets that launched a flier and 4 clays on stands. Stage instructions said something like, "Successfully engage 6 shotgun targets in any order." Everyone shot the one of the falling targets, went for the flier, shot the second falling target, went for the flier, and then went for 2 to 4 of the targets on stands as needed. Me, I loaded up my 97 with 1 in the chamber, 5 in the magazine, shot the 4 on stands, and then the two falling ones, ignoring the fliers. Everyone was like, "Is that legal? Can he do that?" I was, "I followed the stage instructions." The eventual ruling was that I shot it correctly, if in a way no one anticipated.

Now that is interesting! I'd even say it's SASS Legal. It's a pre-1900 design, limited to 2 rounds, and it does have what can be interpreted as an exposed "hammer." All kidding aside, that is kinda cool. Just goes to show you that with enough patience, almost anything can be converted to something else. AND, yeah, with that thing, a regular Mauser, and a .22 Bolt action, you're almost there with a complete battery. I wonder if there are any bolt action pistol caliber rifles.

Well it's not "really" a .22 version of the 94. More similar to the 92 in many ways. That being said, I have no problem with it. Thinking about it, you could also "group" it with a 92, an 86 and, uhm.... Hmm... Generically, an 87? It seems to me that, beyond the single shots, or the .410, the only way you could get a 20 or 12 gauge "rifle based" repeating shotgun, would be to make a massively upscaled version. I don't think you could make, say, a 20 gauge 86 just be swapping barrels. I doubt the frame is big enough. Maybe the take down version? Thinking about it, the shotgun will likely have to be what's the most similar, not the same.

.22 rifle. Pistol caliber rifle. Rifle caliber rifle. Shotgun? Is there any such thing where you can get all 4 types of long guns belonging to the same "family?" Amazingly, the answer is yes. You can get all of the above based on the Remington Rolling Block. I have seen pictures of all four things based on the lever action Martini rifle. But, those are all single shot guns. What about repeaters? The closest you could come would be the Colt Small, Medium and Large frame rifles, with any pump action shotgun, but that's a stretch. Same answer would go for a Winchester 73 .22 and CF cartridge, a 76 and an 87 shotgun. Closer than the Lighting, but still not the same. I guess you could say it can be done with the Winchester 94, there are .410 versions of it, if you will allow for the 9422 to count. All in all, I don't know that there is any practical reason to want to do this, other that, "isn't this a cool part of the collection!" type stuff, but it is interesting to ponder. Can anyone else think of a "combination" that, while it may not be exact, sorta comes close? I think it's just an interesting notion.

I did. Just sent a response. :)0

Ah, didn't realize my inbox was full. I cleared it out. Should be able to get it now.

Didn't get it.

Ben is pretty well known here in New England, and I do know him, if somewhat casually. I may be mis-remembering, but I heard something not too long ago that he moved somewhere to the southwest. That is to say, south of Mason-Dixon line and west of the Hudson river. But I could be mistaken.

Happened to me once years ago with a .32-20. I stopped shooting, went home and pulled apart all the ammo I loaded in that caliber and started over with an increased charge. Never had it happen again. But it coulda been worse. This happened last August... Two friends were each using one. Neither was hurt, but that was the end for all of us. I would not risk further disaster. PLEASE, everyone, be sure of your loads.

Generically, what I call the "short and stubby" cartridges, .32 S&W, .32 S&W Long, .38 Short Colt, and especially .38 S&W have always intrigued me. Among other things, I have a Colt Police Positive that is stamped, ".32 Police CTG." I've always assumed that it is a .32 S&W Long, but which Colt called .32 New Colt Police. I am waiting on a letter for it, and based on some reading, I wonder if it might be a .32 Long Colt. I suppose I should just go and see if the S&W round will chamber in it. Depending on what it is, that may have bearing on my choice to rechamber the rifle. In either case, it'll be nice to have a rifle in one of the short and stubby calibers.

It's not a takedown, so I guess that's a plus. A dual block? That's... really nifty sounding! I've done more research, and among other things, I've discovered that .32 Colt and .32 S&W do have the same size bore. Given that, and given how some of the components for reloading the Colt are essentially unobtainium, I made have have it rechambered. Would greatly simplify things that way, I think.

If ever a "Frontier DA" side match is created, whereby you would use a pre-1900 design DA revolver, then (unless specifically ruled out) your Smith would be okay, IMO. After all the Model 10 is just a refinement of the Victory Model, which is just a specific version of the M&P, which is a direct development of the S&W Model 1899. Kinda like how a modern 3rd Gen SAA is different from an early 3rd, 2nd or 1st gen. But that's a whole different conversation.

It's a Number 4, and the exact same size as my .22. After church today, and after reading an article that reminded me about leading, I scrubbed to bore. That very faint rifling is now much less faint. Worn, but much more clearly there, and down the whole length of the barrel. So, unless there is some other issue that I am not yet aware of, I will likely go with just the CF conversion and do what I can to find .32 Long Colt brass. They are out of stock, but Buffalo Arms does list it, made from something else, on their website, so that's an option as well. Sure, I'd prefer a proper headstamp, but if I have more than a couple others with "incorrect" ones that work just fine.

Well, here's an update. I have obtained the rifle in question, after speaking with a local gunsmith who has done some other work for me. He has converted "several" rimfire rolling blocks to centerfire. The "easiest" thing of course, is to just change the block to a centerfire one and then shoot .32 Colt ammo in it. Getting brass for .32 Long Colt is difficult, but not impossible. Dies exist, and you can get bullets. So that's one option. The other is to admit that while there is still rifling, it is very faint. I may have him reline the barrel and chamber it for .32 S&W Long. This will be determined by a conversation when I take him the rifle in a week or two. I know once in a great while someone makes a run of .32 Rimfire, but I don't think I wanna go THAT route.

What will the side matches be?

Well, this isn't a pocket pistol.

Might make for a loading challenge. Hmmm... Given the rarity, you can use 2 front stuffers that are already loaded, but you have to prime them on the clock.

Nice looking pistol, Hoss.

Hmmm... It is known by the state of California to cause cancer! I don't know if I'd wanna touch it.... Looks like a great price.

Are they 5 or 6 shots?

I've often wondered about this gun. It has a mixture old and new features. I've often thought I'd like to have one even if its not SASS legal. Buy it now price is too high, IMO. I'd not go more than $500. Is it SASS Legal? I don't know.

Oy... Ain't that the truth!

I am in the process of "lettering" as much of my collection as I can. I recently got my Winchester letters, and I was rather surprised to learn just how OLD my guns are. I have 3 antiques, 9 guns made between 1903 and 1905, 3 made in the teens, and an outlier made in 1930. I never realized how old most of these guns actually are. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, I mean, everything pre-64 is almost 60 years old now, and even pre-83 stuff is at least 40. Still, it was a surprise to me. I figured it was all pre-WWII, but I never thought most of it was made prior to WWI. Just goes to show you that you'll never know what you'll find when you start researching the history of your guns. And no, nothing special or unusual came back on any of my Winchester letters, or the Parkers and Rugers. I don't expect anything unusual on the Brownings, but I was surprised at how much info I got back on some of my Webley revolvers, including a copy of the bill of sale for one of them to the government of Israel. We'll see what happens with the S&W's and Colts next. I wish other companies offered this service.

Howdy, Rev. I honestly had not considered what the best gun sequence would be. I suppose saving the big rifle for last would do away with any timer concerns. It would make sense if all the guns and ammo were staged on a table of some sort. You'd need 4 targets, one for each firearm. The pistol target would be at typical main match pistol distance, the .22 rifle and pistol caliber rifle at typical rifle distances, and the big rifle would be farther out. 100 yards? Well, maybe. Certainly that'd be the max. I'd say 100 to 150 feet would work just as well. Don't wanna scare off potential shooters by making it too hard. This isn't a long range event, per se. And the targets should stay the same size, not getting smaller as they get farther away. Typical normal size for an ordinary SASS stage would work. I also think it might be a good idea if the guns were staged far enough away from each other to require some movement. I had wondered about the pistol. I figured that would probably be the one gun that was the least likely to be widely owned. That being said, I have seen a lot of pistols that could work. Single shot versions of a couple different revolvers, the Rolling Block, pistol versions of the Webley and Martini Henry rifle, heck, single barrel derringers, and the list goes on. Any and all would be okay in my mind. Your idea of a regular revolver with just one round does bring up the question of when is it loaded. I had figured all loading would be on the clock. Perhaps a solution is to divide the shoot into 2 "categories." With a pistol, and without a pistol. Anyway, I think it could be fun. And I have no idea when this post started underlining everything, nor could I figure out how to turn it off.

Okay, let's clarify. 2 shots from a single shot rifle in a rifle caliber. This would be a caliber that can not fit in a standard main match revolver. 2 shots from a single shot rifle in a pistol caliber. This would be a typical cartridge that can fit in a main match rifle or revolver. 2 shots from a single shot .22 rifle. .22 Short, Long or Long Rifle. 2 shots from a single shot pistol. To be as flexible as possible, any caliber from .22 Short to .50-70. (Yes, I have seen 1 pistol in that caliber.)But not .22 Magnum for safety reasons. Questions: 1. Should you get a bonus if all 4 guns are a Rolling Block? 2. Would it be wise to add 1 shot from any SASS legal shotgun at a non falling target just to make sure the timer can hear something to record a score?