bump stock ban

[John Kloehr]

47 minutes ago, Still hand Bill said:

It does pose the interesting problem of what to do with exiting units if made illegal by congress.  One good outcome would be to open the registry and add bump stocks and other devices (forced reset triggers and binary triggers) as machine guns.  There are only about 400k transferable machine guns.  Increasing that number would be great and hopefully drive down prices.  Also once it’s a machine gun, you could just convert to a full autosear.   No need to keep it as a bump stock if it’s a nfa machine gun.  
 

Careful about giving ideas... Particularly as the 1986 cutoff applies.

 

But as far as competition is a consideration, no law should prevent shooting at the limits of human capability. This is somewhere in the range of 5 to 10 shots per second for aimed fire (limits of human brain and nerves). Firearm mechanics should not be the limitation.

[Subdeacon Joe]

1 hour ago, John Kloehr said:

Careful about giving ideas... Particularly as the 1986 cutoff applies.

 

But as far as competition is a consideration, no law should prevent shooting at the limits of human capability. This is somewhere in the range of 5 to 10 shots per second for aimed fire (limits of human brain and nerves). Firearm mechanics should not be the limitation.

 

Mad Minute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_minute

 

The first Mad Minute record was set by Sergeant Major Jesse Wallingford in 1908, scoring 36 hits on a 48-inch target at 300 yards (4.5 mils/ 15.3 moa).^[1]

Another world record of 38 hits, all within the 24 inch target at 300 yards (2.25 mils/ 7.6 moa), is said to have been set in about 1914 by a Sergt.-Instructor Snoxall.^[2] ‘Sergt.-Instructor Snoxall’ was probably Sergeant Frank Snoxell of the Loyal North Lancashire Regiment, who was an instructor at the School of Musketry from October 1913 until January 1917. He was a Sergeant-Instructor from October 1913 until he was promoted in March 1915. Sergeant Snoxell had previously been a Sergeant-Instructor at the Branch School of Musketry at Satara in India.^[3]

 

 

In the Mad Minute Challenge in Norway in 2015 a standard 200 m DFS target was used, scoring 1 point for every hit inside the black area which is 400 mm in diameter and corresponds to 2 mils at 200 meters (6.9 moa). This actually makes the target size used in the Norwegian event smaller compared to the story of Sergeant-Instructor Snoxall, who had all 38 hits inside a 24" circle at 300 yards (2.22 mils/ 7.64 moa).

A Mad Minute event was held in Soknedal, Norway, on 30 May 2015 featuring some of the best stang shooters in the country.^[4] The competition was called the "Mad Minute Challenge",^[5] and was shot at a round 400 mm diameter target at 200 meters (2 mils/ 6.9 moa), making the target smaller than original. The winner, Thomas Høgåsseter, scored 36 hits. The average score, of 11 shooters, was 29.

In 2019, Norwegian sport shooter Inge Hvitås set a new world record with 39 hits during a Mad Minute competition in Nes, Hedmark, out of 44 rounds fired.^[6] Also worth mentioning, Jesper Nilsstua fired 48 rounds during the same competition, but got 38 hits, and therefore came second having one hit less than Hvitås.

The modern Norwegian records have been made using the magazine fed SIG Sauer 200 STR, which is a target rifle as opposed to the stripper clip fed Enfield military rifles.

[Subdeacon Joe]

3 hours ago, John Kloehr said:

As noted in the dissent, firearms can be bump-fired with string, rubber bands, and other ways but those means do not include sighting and aiming, just hip shooting. That could still be bad.

 

 

Possibly even worse.   Shooting from the hip could make it more difficult to locate the shooter, also, muzzle rise would rake people from belt to shoulder before climbing off target,  rather than chest and above.  

 

I've seen some videos of using a rubber band to bump fire from the shoulder.