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Ring Found

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Officers in York are trying to locate the owner of a distinctive silver ring and are appealing to the public for their help.

The ring was recovered with property which had been stolen in a house burglary in York in February 2019. Sadly despite their efforts, officers have been unable to trace the ring back to its rightful owner.

Detective Constable Pete Wilson, from York Investigation Hub said:

“Unfortunately we haven’t been able to find the owner of the ring and return it to them. As it is such a distinctive piece of jewellery, we’re hoping that someone will recognise the markings and be able to tell us who it rightfully belongs to, as I’m sure someone, somewhere is missing it.”

Anyone who has any information which could assist police enquiries is asked to contact North Yorkshire Police and pass the information to the Force Control Room. Please quote reference 12190025061. You can also email InvestigationHubYork@northyorkshire.pnn.police.uk

Crimestoppers can be contacted anonymously on 0800 555 111.

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If you love legalisms: Who Owns The Ring?

 

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An excerpt from Isildur’s will concerning conveyance of the One Ring reads:

“The Great Ring shall go now to be an heirloom of the North Kingdom…”

Now, one would think that Isildur meant to convey the Ring to his ruling heirs in the North Kingdom (Arnor) – but that is not what the will’s actual language says. Parsing the words here, he specifically names “the North Kingdom” as the beneficiary, meaning the One Ring was to be held in a sort of public trust for the kingdom as a whole, reading the will on its face.

Only problem is: Arnor ceased to exist. So, uh, who holds title then?

Well, the will above has ambiguous language which probably means that it created one of the law’s many torturous complications called a Fee Simple Subject to Condition Subsequent, which is legal gobbledegook meaning that when the condition specified in the will – the existence of Arnor – ceased to exist, legal title to the One Ring could revert to the original possessor: Isildur, and his subsequent heirs.

But only if they try and take it back.

….

What I’m saying is Aragorn, as Isildur’s heir, could have rightful title to the Ring if he just took it.

Nobody Expects Adverse Possession!

HOWEVER! As we all know, the Ring never quite made it to Arnor – instead, Isildur & Co. were waylaid on their way north, and the Ring was lost until Smeagol (Gollum) found it and held it for five centuries.

Now, this is where the whole system is derailed.

You see, the law has this funny provision called “adverse possession” where if an individual takes your property as theirs, and you don’t do anything about it, and a certain amount of time (called the Statute of Limitations) passes, then that individual now owns your property.

Surprise!

But there are a number of factors that have to be met in order for the title to actually pass to the other person. While there can be more factors to consider, generally the law requires that the person’s possession of the property be:

  1. Actual (they actually have it, not just go about saying they own it)
  2. Open and Notorious (people know they have it)
  3. Exclusive (no one else has it)
  4. Continuous for the length of time required (it can’t be that they have it, then someone else takes it, and then they reobtain it. It has to be continuous through the time specified by the Statute of Limitations)

As far as Gollum’s claim goes, he had actual, exclusive and continuous possession for a freakishly long time. But was it open and notorious? Most would say holding a ring alone in a dark cave unbeknownst to the rest of the world would count as a no.

 

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