H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619

I wish you could come to the Massachusetts/Connecticut/Rhode Island Tri-State match. It's being held in Maine this year. That would, I suppose, count for 4 states at once! It's in early June this year. On a similar light, the "Northeast Regional" is held out in the MidWest in Ohio in early August. I may try to get to that one this year.

$crooge McDuck would admire you.

I had a similar problem with the Euroarms replica of the Roges and Spencer revolver. Long story short, I took it to Happy Trails, who had to make some internal parts to fix it. The Jager is a "clone" of the Colt, but it is also the most obviously "not a Colt" to the naked eye. It just looks different dimension wise. (Mine's a .45. I've never had trouble with it, but maybe I'm lucky.) Anyway. I figure it if looks so different on the outside, it's anybody's guess as to if internal parts from someone else will fit or not. You may need a gunsmith who can make what you need to repair it.

Red Dot can be used well with both 12 gauge shotgun and many pistol cartridges, like .45 Colt. But I have not seen Red Dot for sale anywhere in years. Like Trailboss, which is good for everything except shotgun, it is pretty much unobtainium these days. Green Dot can work well with the shotgun, and has some use as a cartridge powder, but I have only used for 20 gauge loads so far. Win 231/HP38 are a good cartridge powder, but you must be careful with it. Far too easy to double charge and make your guns go Kaboom (Not in the good way) without meaning too. HS6 is a pretty good powder for .45 Colt. In case you can't tell, I am only listing powders I have actually loaded with, not with powders that I have read are good. They prolly are, but I only want to say what I have experienced. Of course, you can always use black powder or BP subs. That is fun, and while I have done it for novelty reasons or for use in very old guns, it is not something I make a regular habit out of.

Hmmm... I found a .33 WCF 86 for a very reasonable price. The above place has decently priced barrels. But while I do know that the .33 is supposed to be based on the .45-70, I looked up the dimensions of the rim (on Wikipedia) and they are not the same. So I am wondering if this is a viable option. Anyone who has a .33 WCF 86, can you make brass for it out of .45-70 and will it chamber? If I get the new barrel, I am still thinking about it properly fitting on the bolt face and the extractor grabbing it to extract.

Just factor it in to your reasonable price.

As Cholla said, the original smoothbore 86's were made for exhibition shooting. Me, well, I think a smoothbore 86 in .45-70 would be "better" than a 94 in ,410 for "reasons."

Hi, everyone. I have a desire to obtain a Winchester 1886 in .45-70, smoothbore. What do people think is the best way to get one? Finding a real honest to goodness one that was made that way by Winchester would be great, but prohibitively expensive since only a very far few were made. So, that leaves other options... 1. Obtaining one that is otherwise fine, but having a gunsmith bore out the rifling. 2. Finding one with a shot out bore with little to no rifling left, and again, having a gunsmith polish out any thing left over and otherwise turn the sewerpipe into a shiny clean one. 3. Find one of those also very rare "line guns" that were made with smooth bores. I have seen the prices on these all over the map, but they are very hard to find. And, although the ATF "deregulated" them as Short Barrel Shotguns a few years ago, I am not so sure they would be legal in Massachusetts. (Mass laws are complicated.) Option 1 would likely be a modern reproduction. Option 2 could very well be an original. Option 3 is probably not realistic. Cost is a factor, but I know I will have to spend a few bucks. Here's the funny part, I have seen newly made replicas advertised anywhere from $1200 to $2000 depending on maker and configuration. Interestingly, the least expensive use one I have seen is a Browning, in the $800 range, but I am less inclined to bore out one of those than an Italian copy for "reasons." Anyone have any suggestions? Am I overthinking this? Or is it just something silly I should abandon?

Yes. Sorry about that. Mr. Typo is my enemy.

Be careful with Win321/HP38 (They the same.)

I use this to dispense my powder charges. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1012762980?srsltid=AfmBOop5ywq7BEjU4KZoo7ilx-kTh7mVyTsXZaEOGDqp4W7HDrE0fP-H&pid=818489 Works great with Trailboss and other powders. While one charge is being measured out, I prep the next case. They don't make this model anymore, but there must be a current something similar

If you are having those kinds of problems with Trailboss, you should not use it. I'll gladly buy it off you for a REASOABLE price. PM me for details.

I just realized that even though others have done so., I have not posted pics of the guns I mentioned in the first post. So... Here's my Greener built on a Martini action And here's my recently acquired Hopkins & Allen. Not bad for 50 bucks!

To me, "after market" engraving on a Colt hurts my interest rather than enhances it. People try to sell them for just a much as a factory engraved, and I don't think they are worth the many thousands the people ask. I don't know for sure if it harms or helps the value of the gun itself, it just diminishes my interest. There are engravers out there who do excellent work all on their own, but there is also "commemorative engraving" done by others that is frankly, not so good. Taking an Uberti and laser engraving it and thinking it is worth as much as a factory engraved Colt is a fallacy, in my opinion. On the other hand, taking an Uberti and taking it to someone who can hand engrave it nicely and provide you with documentation that he did it, may be a legit way to get yourself an engraved SAA type revolver at a price you can afford. Heck, John Wayne used Great Westerns that were hand engraved in The Shootist, and by all accounts, they were two of his favorite guns. But would I have a REAL Colt engraved by anyone other than the factory? I honestly don't know. And, occasionally, not all commemorative engraving on non-Colts is junk. Uberti, Silver plated, hand engraved... Wanted one of these since I first saw the adds for 'em back in the day. Very well done, and the price was less than $1500. But let that go. I guess when it comes to non factory engraving, the best advice is, let the buyer's preference dictate what you do. Except for the obvious Colt on Colt work, it is of questionable additional value if you ever want to sell it, but if you are just trying to enhance something in your collection for fun, go for it.

Both have the same bore size, but the S&W round was created with a bullet the same diameter as the inside of the case, like almost everything. The Colt round was created with a bullet the same size as the outside of the case, like a .22 rimfire. That means reloading the Colt round requires either heeled bullets, or hollow based ones that fit in the case.

I have an 1860 Colt that is of Civil War era vintage. It has been cartridge converted at least twice in it's life and is now a .32 S&W Long. I'll probably use it with this rifle. I don't mind the different cartridges. To bad it wasn't converted to the Colt one though!

I promised some pics, so here goes. Here's the rifle... A fairly run of the mill 92. It's got some age character to it. Here's the original mag tube. A close up of the back. You can see the gummed up spring and dents. Sorry about the bad focus. And the "front" You can see that the original plug is gone. and it's been plugged with some sort of a wooden thing. No wonder it didn't work. I am glad I got it fixed.

Yeah, they are pricey, but for a long time, they weere the only ones I could find. When I eventually run out, I'll search to see if I can find other\s. But they do work well. If only I could find a .300" 80 grain hollow base...

I vaguely remember this one. I forget the name of the show, but I remember it. A "feature" of the program was how his teenage daughter was rather prominent in their shop, wearing a very revealing tanktop. You never saw anything you shouldn't, but it felt inappropriate somehow. Anyway, I remember the 66 episode, and I remember people here commenting after they showed the finished rifle a lot of people here shouting, "THAT'S AN UBERTI!" Wasn't too long after that the that the show was cancelled. IIRC, there were some issues with the ATF over some of the stuff they were doing.

I use these from Buffalo Arms https://www.buffaloarms.com/358-150-grain-fn-hollow-base-358150hb.html They work very well with .38 Long Colt, .38 Short Colt, and .38 S&W. They work equally well with smokeless of black powder. I don't see why they would not work just fine with .38 Special. Out of stock at the moment, but the last time I got some on "backorder" it was not long before they were available again. In fact, if I needed some, I'd give them a phone call. Sometimes they don't update their website as fast as they should.

My Dad often carried the one I posted the pic of above. Carried it in a small holster that he would clip to his belt. Once when a group of 4 or 5 unsavory types were being aggressive towards him as he was walking from the public parking lot to his place of work, he just smiled at them and said, "You don't wanna mess with me fellas," and pulled open his jacket. Seeing the derringer, they quickly said everything cool and walked away. That's the best kind of Self Defense, where you don't really have to do anything. I believe it was Jeff Cooper (!) who said, "The man with a .22 in his pocket is better armed than the man with a .45 in his nightstand at home." He was right. Swap out .22 and .45 for derringer and 1911 and you get the same concept.

I'll put up a pic of the gun in it's repaired state either tonight or tomorrow. Generically, if I had obtained one of these rifles in good working condition, I would have gone the S&W conversion route. But since the only reason I got it was I was given a couple of hundred rounds of .32 Long Colt, Short Colt, and RF ammo, for free, I got the gun to shoot it. Sadly, Lee does not make dies for the Colt cartridge so I had to get the RCBS ones. Is is a rather interesting gun. I'm glad I have one in the collection.

Sigh... I REALLY want one of these. I'd take anything in .38 S&W, to be honest, but this is the one I want specifically.

If you are willing to the used route, and if you can find one, I'd not hesitate to get one of these... This is my derringer. Well, it was my Dad's. It is surprisingly accurate, and it is a .38 Special. I sometimes use .38 Short Colts in it with good results. And from this side, it looks very much like an original Remington. But, why did I say, "from this side," and what is it? Well... Okay, it has a ridiculous looking and not needed safety. But let that go. I just don't use it. It's an RG17. RG has a kind of a bad rap, deservedly so for SOME of their pistols, but this derringer is actually very well made. I understand that the safety was a feature added later, (maybe because of GCA 68?) and have seen non-safety versions. I don't think this'd be a bad way to go.

Yeah, that would be along the same lines as well. But here's a few "factors" that make me think of the S&W round. 1. It's a personal favorite. Admittedly, this is a less compelling reason, but well, it is what it is. 2. Many years ago, a new cartridge was developed for use in, I think it was a derringer. It was basically a rimmed version of the 9mm. I think it was called 9mm Federal. It didn't last very long. Almost right away, someone realized that the case dimensions, except for the rim, were nearly identical to the .38 S&W and concern was expressed about putting this very much higher pressure round in old pocket pistols. I remember the article saying that with it's .356" bullets in a .360" bore that pressure was likely to not be a problem. I can't remember if the reverse problem of .361" bullets getting stuck in the smaller bore was also mentioned. But here's the kicker, the .38 S&W round will probably fit in the chamber of the 9mm rifle. The rim will make it impossible to use, and it has the "bore size problem" but I just find myself thinking, "So close!" With regard to using the Short Colt, the only drawback I can think of is getting the ammo is kinda difficult. Reloading it is pretty easy, especially if the bore is sized for .358" bullets. No need to mess with heeled stuff. But finding brass and/or loaded ammo is not easy. Easier than .32 Colt, but still a chore. That said, I'd be happy to have a rifle in the Colt caliber.