H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619

Area 51 is a ruse to confuse the public and shield the existence of the REAL secret base. Area 52.

Now, what was/is a saloon? Why it's a drinkin' establishment of course! Now, as Cowboy Shooters, we have an affinity for "old timey" stuff. Well, I figured, since this is the SASS "Saloon" let's talk about old timey soft drinks. The four oldest carbonated beverages, or "tonics" in the US of A are as follows... From 1885, Dr. Pepper. From 1884, Moxie. From 1876, Hire's Root Beer. From 1866, Vernor's Ginger Ale. I would "propose" that these four vintage beverages should be available at every State/Regional/National/World Champtionship match. Preferably, the version in glass bottles made with real cane sugar and not the ersatz versions in aluminum cans and corn syrup. We need to promote old stuff and emphasize it in our game. Plus, it'd just be really cool to do so. Of course, I am not *really* serious here, but it sure would be fun. Although, I have to admit, I haven't seen Hire's here in New England in decades. It's supposedly still available somewhere, but I don't know where. What other old timey, non intoxicating, beverages can we promote? Well, their may not be any other "brands" as old as the old four, but types like sarsaparilla come to mind. Which I always hear pronounced as if it were spelled, "Sassparilla." Maybe we could market a drink called, "SASSparilla, sarsparilla!" Birch Beer, Ginger Beer, and other items come to mind. What about Cola? Well, Coke does date to 1886, but to me, it just doesn't have that "old timey feel" to it that other beverages do. Plus, it would probably so dominate sales that nobody'd bother to try the other stuff. And that would be tragic. And so, with tongue firmly in cheek, but with a craving for a nice bottle of Moxie, I shall now walk over to the fridge here at work, and grab a Pepsi. Have a nice day.

If anyone has one of the Cimarron Model P Jr. revolvers with dual .32-20/.32 H&R Magnum cylinders, or just the H&R Cylinder, and wishes to sell it, I'd like to purchase it. But, there's a kicker, the seller has to be in Massachusetts so we can do a face to face private sale. If you live here, you know why.

10-10-4 Per Stage. 6 Stages. 60 Pistol 60 Rifle 24 Shotgun. Pistol/Rifle rounds come in boxes of 50. Shotgun come in boxes of 25. So, I always bring 50 Shotgun. If I am shooting different calibers in my pistols from my rifle, 100, Pistol, 100, rifle. If pistol and rifle are in the same caliber, I bring 150 total. Adjust as needed based on number of stages/number of calibers used.

If you use fiber wads, they very much looks like confetti coming out of the barrel.

Is there anyone out there that makes replacement cylinders for 1st Generation SAA's?

Someone mentioned the Winchester 94. The 94 gets a bad rap, and in all truth, it is not the best suited for our game, but in my opinion, a pre-83 .44 Magnum with no angle eject, safeties or other abominations is at least "workable." Here is a a video of me shooting one of those rifles. Please ignore my issues with the shotgun. For comparison, here is a video of me shooting a pre-safety Rossi 92 in the same caliber. Again, please ignore my shotgun issues. This is as close as you will get to an apples to apples comparison if the 2 rifles. Both are in the same caliber, both have 20" round barrels, and both have not had their designs "messed with" but modern features. The Winchester is stock, the Rossi has had minimal action work done to it by Happy Trails to smooth it out a little. As you can see, I am equally slow with both rifles, but didn't have any issues with either. It has been said that the 94's issues begin to arise when you try to run it too fast. So maybe, that'll never be an issue for me. It'll never be my go to gun, but I didn't have any problems with it. But, finding one of these pre-83 94's is not exactly easy. But using "cheapest" to mean least expensive, not lowest quality, and keeping the historically accurate criteria, I'd still recommend a used Rossi 92, pre-safety. (Which of course, is what you see in the second video.)

I was thinking about side matches this morning, and I randomly thought of one that could be considered the "opposite" of Classic Cowboy. CC of course requires the use of "big" cartridges, .40 or larger. Well, how about a side match that uses "small" guns. Say, .38 or smaller? Rifle would be any main match legal rifle in .38 Special or smaller. Maximum barrel length of 20". 10 rounds Pistols would be any pair of Pocket Pistols. .38 or smaller, but not .22's. Since so many PPs are only 5 shot revolvers, they'd be loaded with 4 rounds each. Shotgun would be any shotgun 20 gauge or smaller, .410 okay. I think it could make for an interesting side match, allow for more shooting of more stuff on side match day, and maybe lead to a lot of fun. I had originally thought .32 or smaller, but bumped up to .38 Special to allow for pocket pistols in .38S&W and for folks who would otherwise not have an eligible rifle. Since everything is so small, I call it the Small Fry Side Match.

Just use it normally, and wait.

El Sobrante speaks truth. The most important thing in CAS is to have fun. If being as close to "historically accurate" makes it more fun for you, then go for it, but don't obsess over it. That'll suck the fun right out of it. Now, I am a fellow who has several guns over 100 years old, and even a few antiques, and I enjoy shooting them. But I also have some modern replicas. Some have inaccurate features. But there are some that I tolerate, there are others that I don't. Modern added safeties make me take a hard pass, for example. A hooded ramp font sight I don't like, but I'll live with it. And so on and so forth. Heck, I love the Mare's Leg type pistol, which is not historically accurate at all, but is as fun as all get out to shoot. (Note: Not SASS Legal) So when all is said and done, just have fun. Have it the way you want to do it, but enjoy it. You can't go wrong with that.

This is a real Remington '58, factory conversion. It is a .38 Long Colt. It left the factory in this configuration as a cartridge firing gun. Replicas of this config can be purchased. This is a modern made Uberti that I converted myself. This started as a cap & ball revolver, and I got the conversion cylinder, ejector and frame cut to convert it. This is more or less one of the ways a period conversion would have been done. It is also a .38 Long Colt. Hope this helps

58 Remingtons were historically converted to .38 Long Colt, I have one, .38 rimfire and .46 rimfire.

A pre safety Rossi 92.

Looking forward to seeing you again. All kidding, and shotgun problems aside, I find it interesting how I did just as well with the 94 as I did with the 92. In fact, I think the 94 worked a little better for me. Weird. The gun has a really bad rep in our game, but, part of me wonders if when the gun was made might have something to do with it. Mine is a pre-83 one. One actually made by Winchester, not US Repeating Arms, and is top eject. It doesn't have angle eject of any other of the features that ruined the gun after USRA took over production. Generically, I find pre and post 83s to be vastly different in quality, pres better, posts worse. Given how rare these early .44s are, I can't help but wonder if the bad rep just comes from less well made guns that are sadly the norm for 94s in this caliber. Granted, even this one will never be a preferred go to gun for SASS, but I did find it to be surprisingly workable. I understand Marlin also made the 336 in .44 Magnum before they put safeties on it. Might be interesting to obtain one of those for comparison as well.

I said I was not gonna speak about my problems with the shotgun... But... Yeah, I still have about 3 boxes of that underloaded stuff. I might just get a pick and dig it all apart at this point...

Rifle number 1: Pre-Safety Rossi 92 in .44 Magnum. Has had minimal action work done to it by Happy Trails. It's no race gun, I just wanted it smoothed out a little to be less clunky and more like a real Winchester. Rifle number 2: Pre-83 Winchester 94 in .44 Magnum. Factory Stock. I figure these two rifles are as good as any for an apples to apples comparison between a 92 and 94. Pistols were an original Great Western in .44 Magnum and an Uberti in .44 Magnum. Shotgun was an 18.5" Chiappa 87. It's been a while since I used a 87, and I had some... operator error... with it. But the thing to watch is the comparison betwixt the two rifles. Here's the Rossi 92... https://youtu.be/Q0h6aXm7mf0 And here's the Winchester 94... https://youtu.be/of5uapsIenk I seem to have shot both rifles equally well, and the 94 did not give me any troubles. At least, it didn't on this stage. In the next stage, not recorded, I used the 94 again, and I had an issue with it. I tried to go a little faster, and I think I may have short stroked it a little, so it kinda jammed, but I did clear and continue with no further problems. The gun will never be a go to one for me for SASS, but I did find it "workable" Granted, I am slower than most, so that may have helped me. But I will not discuss the rather embarrassing problems I had with my 87...

A lot of that might depend on how the stage is written with regard to target order and placement. I have been known to load one in the port, fire it, and then stuff 2 in the magazine, racking the slide twice and then dropping the 4th in the open port. Or a variation of the above, especially if there is a popper target.

For shotguns, I had been using 16 grains of Red Dot, the same load my father developed for trap. It was great in my long barrel shotguns, but was a bit stout in the short barrel ones. Then I read about a 10 grain load. Tried it. It's light. TOO light, so I upped to 12. That is still nice and light, but not so light as to be a mouse fart.

Red Dot is a great powder. Seems to be a rare as Trail Boss these days though.

If you can, try one like this... Yes, that is a Black Diamond Trap model. My most recent 97 acquisition and my current #1 main match shotgun. It gets just as many stares for being what it is as it does for having the long barrel. Finish may be ugly, but the action is as tight as I have ever seen on one of these guns.

The only thing to worry about is the chamber length. They used to measure them differently, and even if they are marked 2-3/4", they might be 2-5/8". In that case, either shoot shorter shells, or have the chamber lengthened. If yours are 1950's vintage, they are prolly okay, but I'd still check. Or. well, since I shoot 2-1/2" all brass, it doesn't matter.

"Regular" threads are expressed in so many fractions of an inch. 12 inches equal 1 foot. "Metric" threads are expressed in so many fraction of something called a "meter." It's supposed to be a little longer than a yard. I believe "the metric system" was made up by some French guy.

Isn't that a contradictory term? It's either regular or metric. Not "regular metric."

It's really very straightforward... The only legal pump shotgun is the Winchester 97. It was only ever available in 12 or 16 gauge, never 20, so therefore 20 gauge is not legal for a pump shotgun. Now, it is true that the Winchester 87 was only ever chambered in 12 and 10 gauge, but there is no rule that says that the 87 is the only legal lever action shotgun. Therefore, if anyone were to theoretically make an exposed hammer tubular magazine 20 gauge lever action shotgun, either an 87 or something else, it would be, at least theoretically, legal. Why? Because those are the rules as written. We may not like them or think they should be different, or think they are fine as is, but they are the rules and we "agree" to play by them in this game.

Well, it'll fit .32 H&R Magnum, .32 S&W Long and .32 S&W, but not .32 Long Colt. The dimensions on the Colt are different. It might be "easier" to just get the rifle, forget about the pistol and just enjoy it. Or, get a Colt Police Positive in the caliber. Not SASS legal, but still a nice gun to shoot.