Tennessee williams
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Yall been dealing with NIAA every time yall talk to Widder, so I don't see why AI is much differnt
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On 4/24/2024 at 7:00 PM, Widder, SASS #59054 said:
I know this post is 'stealing' the thread, but I gotta share this with the
Wire Pards.
For about 4 or 5 years now, TW and I will get together to sell a gun or swap a gun, etc.....
and in the process, we usually meet somewhere we can have a good meal.
Now, for all these times we've met, TW would always order 3 beers. Really.
And A couple years back, I ask him.....'WHY do you always order 3 beers'?
TW told me that when his 2 brothers moved out west (Texas and Montana), they
agreed to have a beer for each other when they were able. The 2 extra beers were
to honor his brothers..... and they in turn did the same when they were somewhere to
get a drink.
Anyhow, last week, TW and I met in Murfreesboro cause I was buying a nice varmint
scope from him.
At the restaurant, TW only orders 2 beers. Naturally, in my best somber voice, I
expressed my condolences on what appeared to be that one of his brothers had
passed away.
TW says: Oh No! its nothing like that. You see, my wife made me join a Baptist
Church and now I can't have one for myself".
Another true story..... cause you just can't make this stuff up!
..........Widder
I'm forced to order a beer and a shot of bourbon now. The Texas brother swapped over to Catholic.
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39 minutes ago, JoeCalhoun said:
What do you mean?
Your recommendation of a double action revolver on the SINGLE ACTION SHOOTING SOCIETY'S thread about shooting "duelist" faster which you obviously think refers to "dueling" i.e. "fast draw" which is something else entirely. Judging by your posts which the entirety have been put on in the last hour or so, I'd say you are new here and not really sure where you are. I'd suggest sit back and read for an hour and then post a thread introducing yourself. Id also put on your profile where youre from. It keeps people from thinking youre some kind of spammer or troll. Folks will come around and talk to you that way faster than with you giving advice on a page you may not know what is about.
Most everybody is way nicer than I am.
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20 minutes ago, JoeCalhoun said:
Hey there, partner! It sounds like you're putting in the work to hone those quick-draw skills. Practice definitely is king when it comes to speed shooting, but there are a few other things you can consider to shave off some milliseconds:
First, let's talk about your Ruger Old Model Vaquero. Those are fantastic revolvers, but the single-action design might not be the most conducive to blazing-fast shooting compared to a double-action revolver. However, changing out the hammer might help a bit : Blackhawk hammers: These typically have a wider spur that allows for a smoother and potentially faster draw. However, they might alter the overall look and feel of your Vaquero, which some folks wouldn't want. Also there are Bisley hammers: These hammers have a lower profile spur that might be more comfortable for some shooters. While they might not necessarily increase speed, they could improve your grip and overall control.
Here are some other tips that might prove helpful:
- Dry fire practice: This is a fantastic way to hone your draw and trigger pull technique without needing ammo. Focus on a smooth, deliberate draw and a clean break on the trigger.
- Trigger control: A smooth and steady trigger pull is crucial for fast and accurate shooting. Jerking the trigger will throw off your aim, so practice maintaining a consistent grip and a smooth pull.
- Fast draw holster: The right holster can make a big difference in draw speed. Look for a holster that fits your Vaquero snugly but allows for a smooth, quick draw.
Ultimately, the best way to find what works for you is through practice and experimentation. There are also some great instructional videos online (and maybe even local classes) that can provide visual demonstrations of quick-draw techniques.
Remember, speed is important, but accuracy matters more. Focus on developing a smooth, controlled draw while maintaining pinpoint accuracy.
Keep practicing, partner! And feel free to share any insights you discover along the way. This forum is a great place to learn from each other's experiences.
Is this for reals?
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The TO should not have stopped the shooter. The shooter should have gotten a reshoot. The only penalty that carries over is a safety. Good lord.
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1 hour ago, Shooting Bull said:
Widder’s right. You talk a lot.
As usual, I agree with half of what you said.
Widder is not right!
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13 hours ago, Shooting Bull said:
Let me give an example as to why. Stage calls for pistols to be shot at position 1 then move to position 2 to shoot shotgun. I shoot a SXS shotgun and load the shells with me left (weak) hand). On this stage I'll shoot my left pistol first. When I'm done with that I holster it then draw and fire my right pistol. As I'm firing my right pistol I'm pulling two shotgun shells with my left hand. When I'm done with my second pistol I holster it as I'm taking my first step toward position 2. As I'm moving to position 2 I have the shotgun shells up at eye level with my left hand and my right hand is reaching for my shotgun. (Reaching as you move helps you move faster. ) When I get to position 2 I grab and raise the shotgun to my shoulder as fast as possible where my shells are already waiting to be dropped into the chambers.
So, this is just my opinion obviously and is worth only what you paid me. Let's break down the mechanics of why it doesn't work for ME. Some transitions look wonderful on paper but fail to show up on the timer. To ME, that transition depends on 2 factors, and a third factor comes into play on similar transitional movements. The first is the direction and how far it is between the pistol position and the shotgun position. The second is the difference in time between your strong to weak side pistol transition and your weak to strong side pistol transition. The third factor that comes into play on similar transitions is whether it takes you longer to shoulder your shotgun or grab 2 shells and get them into position(I'll explain that one in a minute).
1st main factor- direction and distance. When I fire the last shot of my last revolver I want to MOVE! If I'm moving one or two steps, counting my reach I am picking up my rifle as my left pistol is finishing being holstered. This accomplishes a couple things that going weak side first does not. One is it gets my shotgun shouldered quicker because I'm not moving my right hand all the way from my holster to the rifle to pick it up and two is it puts my weak hand that I grab my shells with at my holster, which is within an 8" circle of my shells which in turn creates a straight line from holster to shells to shotgun.(I like my transitional hand movements to be within a 12" max circle at all times). If someone hasn't moved one step by the time they holster, they're moving too slow or are holstering before they move. A by-product benefit of strong side P first on long movement (assuming right handed and moving to the right) is it greatly diminishes the chance of breaking the 170 either actual or perceived by the over-zealous spotter because you will be holstering your left pistol while moving to the right. Holstering your right pistol while moving to your right is chancy.
2nd main factor-Difference in strong to weak P transition vs weak to strong side P transition. While making less of a difference, it does still come into the equation. My right hand to left hand transition on a good day is half a second. My left to right transition is more like a second and I run the risk of pulling too quick. That can be remedied by more practice.
3rd main factor for similar transitions. Grab shells vs shoulder shotgun. So the accepted fact for the duelist category is we should be more able to do 2 things at once. I take that a step further and decide which 2 things I should be doing simultaneously. Case in point, Rifle to Shotgun transition on a stand and deliver stage. Should the duelist lay the rifle down with the left hand or the right hand? That my friend depends on the duelist. Specifically whether it takes them longer to draw 2 shells or shoulder the shotgun. Whichever takes the longest time should be done simultaneously while the rifle is being discarded. If it takes them longer to get a good grab on their two shells with the left hand, the rifle should be discarded with the right hand(again discarded within that 12" circle of hand movement to pick up the shotgun). If it takes them longer to pick up the shotgun, they should discard the rifle left handed(again 12" circle of the shells to grab although it's close on this one) while they're picking the shotgun up. Make sense? You have 3 things to do. The 2 that overlap needs to include the one item that takes the longest time.
I'm by no means saying duelists shouldn't be able to draw the weak side first, I'm just saying your scenario doesn't work for ME. It definitely does for others.
Like Randy and Widder said. Go fast!
I sure didn't mean to type this much but I can talk transitions all day, so sorry about that.
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I like it. As a duelist right pistol first I'd shoot it 3,4,5,4,3,3,2,1,2,3
I wrote one with the same setup but different sequence. The center red target was a double tap tag. So it was 1,3,3,2,3,3,4,3,3,5. TN two step
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The body of your post is asking about shooting your guns faster, but the subject of it is shooting the category faster. They ain't really the same thing. I'll address both from MY saddle...
If you want to shoot your guns faster(as in manipulating them as fast as possible without missing) then you need to find your speed limit. When you PRACTICE, shoot your guns as fast as you safely can without having more than 2 misses in a string. Then all you have to do is shoot them that fast without those 2 misses
. Thats your speed for now. All the little bells and whistles that you can do to your guns WILL make a difference. Most of the differences will only be in your head. You'll think yourself into being faster and that's okay. Some of them make a physical difference that is not in your head, like being able to reach the hammers on your Rugers easily.
Now it's a whole other story if you're wanting your stage times to improve. The indisputable best way to get lower stage times is get faster at what you're doing when you're not pulling the trigger. There's no secret speed sauce. Cut down on the time it takes between trigger pulls. For instance when you practice it takes:
8 seconds to draw and fire all 10 rounds from the revolvers.
8 seconds to pick up and fire 10 rds from your rifle.
8 seconds to pick up and shoot 4 kd with the shotgun.
Then your par time for a stand and deliver stage is 24 seconds because you should be discarding and initiating 2 guns at the same time as a duelist. That will tell you where your transitions are. The time it takes for 10rds from both pistols from the holster plus 10 rounds from the rifle from staged position plus 4 knockdowns with shotgun from staged position. Your discards are built into the run.
Clear as mud?
Edit: Fast is fast. Slow can kiss my....grits.
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20 hours ago, Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 said:
No Shooters Books???
Randy
I guess I aint going to be able to steal your book to use your stage notes. Reckon we can figger out how to mark notes on the phone? I've got a pre-1900 era cell phone!
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2 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said:
I don’t think he’s lost that much speed. He’s probably shucking the 5th hill at the 3 second mark
When you're .3 splits that's forever. If I couldn't run a 97 faster than that, I wouldn't even run one.
-TW. One what runs a side by side
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I wouldn't worry about Widder winning any speed shotgun this year. He said he's barely getting the 5th shell in by the 3 second mark.
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53 minutes ago, Hells Comin said:
You will enjoy shooting them -
there a couple of great(Humble) dudes.
Why in the world would Widder want to shoot 'em?
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3 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said:
TW's questionable reputation as having any kind of wisdom or power comes from 3 sources:
1. he reads and believes in fortune cookies that he gets at Sun Wong's Chinese restaurant.
2. he impresses little kids when teaching them how to ride a bicycle when he puts balloons or baseball cards
on the spokes to make it sound like a motorcycle.
3. he tells people who don't know him, that he is wise.
..........Widder
I don't put too much stock in the bad news fortune cookies. Only the good ones since I found out my first girlfriend was cheating on me with a Chinaman. She said his name in the bedroom and I don't put up with that mess. Wong Ho is a funny name anyway.
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3 hours ago, Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 said:
If you are so powerful, do it again next Tuesday!
Imis
57 minutes ago, Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 said:TW's claimed HooDoo is PooPoo
CB
This here is mainmost powerful hoodoo. It'll take me about 20years to work up another batch. But I'll do it. You heard it here first!
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Yep. I did that.
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6 minutes ago, Krazy Kajun said:
TW.....I still say you got the best trained chickens in Tennessee. Someone leaked a rehearsal video of you having them to perform....I've got to admit they were on count and on note....dance moves were right on time. See for yourself here.
Kajun
I sent that video to Crawdaddy this morning!
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Widder and @Krazy Kajun has peed me off. I'm turning the lights off today with my hoodoo. Y'all have that dup to thank for it.
Dont let NASA make you think this was gonna happen anyway, cause if Ihadnt spit under that red rock and skinned that chicken with the jawbone of a coyote under the light of last months fool moon, it wouldn't happen.
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1 hour ago, PowderRiverCowboy said:
Didnt you tell him not to charge the porn sites to the credit card ?
Someone told him midget porn was cheaper to watch than reg'lar porn. He thought he was saving a dollar or two.
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Widder's bunkhouse boss caught him doing something he shouldn't have been doing and won't let him get on the Wire or even write an email. He's grounded until some time Monday. He wouldn't tell me what it was he got caught doing, but getting grounded might be better than going blind.
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14 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said:
Here I sit, having a little snack after having a nice day. I got up early, reloaded 200 rounds of .32 H&R and 140 rounds
of 9mm. Went and picked up some 2-cycle oil and some fresh gas for my yard equipment.
I even called to verify my Doctors appointment next week and even made my lodging reservations for the TN State.
Basically, a good day. YET, while minding my own business (which TW knows nothing about), I get
a phone call while eating a Taco to tell me I needed to view The Saloon and defend meowndangself.
Well, because nobody really listens to TW, much less believe anything he says, I'll just sit here, finish my taco,
drink a cold Pepsi, and enjoy my evening knowing that TW lives 3 1/2 hours away and glad he ain't my neighbor.
TW is antsy because he had a colonoscopy today and it nearly gave him a brain concussion.
His doctor is Dr. Smellfunkus, notable for his special technique and leaving lipstick marks on cheeks.
TW is his favorite patient.
Like I've said before........ ya just can't make this stuff up.
..........Widder
That does sound like a great day you were having. Just goes to show you, ignorance is bliss!
Before anyone asks, he found 3 polyps, a hemorrhoid, and what he believes is a hotwheel car.
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1 hour ago, Chantry said:
So you're saying he came a lot closer than you ever have?
It ain't that he did better'n me, it's the fact that he makes a big milage out of it!
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...and this time he almost passed it!
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There's a whole big bunch of questions and what ifs on this one. I'd say too many for me to voice my opinion other than to say just from reading the OP it seems like the CLUB was trying to recruit a new shooter into SASS and kudos for that. One way to run a new prospective shooter off is to smack them upside the head with a bunch of rules (excluding safety rules. Smack them with those very hard and often). If I were being a rule Nazi I would start with, pistols started out staged but did the instructions say to restage them or did they give no restaging direction? If not, the default is for the pistols to go to leather before the next firearm is fired.
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Trying to fast at shooting duelist
in SASS Wire
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Told y'all. NIAA (No Intelligence At All).